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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Alan of Kaslo on Friday 11 September 20 01:43 BST (UK)
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Hello.
My grandfather's death cert says he is from Carrick and then I believe it lists his occupation but I cannot decipher it. In earlier documents he was an excise officer. His name is William Orr (bottom entry). Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Alan
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Could you let us know the County please. Tending towards thinking that the word runs on from Carrick as you can see in the entry above. Looks a bit like Renall? So Carrick Renall or Penal?
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Thanks for the reply. This is Ayrshire. William Orr married Jean Ferguson in Ayr and the death cert I referred to is: 17/10/1823 ORR, WILLIAM - Old Parish Registers Deaths 578/ 130 17 Ayr. Not sure the county name...
At his marriage he is a lawyer , which could lend itself to penal...
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Is that Lawyer or Sawyer
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Is that Lawyer or Sawyer
Good point Mckha.
Is there another capital 'L' and 'S' on the page in the register for comparison?
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Unless you already know from other sources he was a lawyer?
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Here is more of the document for comparison.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gx-yD5gwIE8crICg1z0FMsvZH23z5Gk9/view?usp=sharing
I only knew he was an excise officer at one point.
Here in my grandfather's death cert. it mention his father's occupation as excise officer
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bLOI1d7_D_1pfpKg92894rY-bhzcQpdA/view?usp=sharing
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Here is William Orr's marriage doc to compare L and S's
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DgfB21xFfts7SZraoT0FOyvSnUo-P62o/view?usp=sharing
Looking like S for Sawyer as you mentioned.
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A lawyer then would probably be called a writer, an exciseman a gauger!
Skoosh.
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looks like venal to me, so part of his address. Reference to Carrick Vennel here, part of it became Carrick Street.
https://canmore.org.uk/site/41796/ayr-carrick-port
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Hi Alan,
On the death certificate, I think the word after Carrick, is a place name (place of abode), not a profession. Carrick was an area in south Ayrshire which contained a few parishes. Although I cannot make out the first letters, the mystery word seems to be written very close to Carrick, rather than more separate like the above professions are listed.
On the marriage certificate I believe he is recorded as a SAWYER.
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I also think it says Carrick Venall, this being his address, as posted by Osprey.
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A Vennal = a lane! Osprey done good! ;D
Skoosh.
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Thank you very much for the help!
From Osprey's Canmore link:
"The vennel would be the quickest route from market into Carrick, via Alloway. If this was an open route to the burgh"
Will have to start calling local lanes vennels!
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CARRIGK VENNEL. Near the Kyle Port and almost opposite the old tower in High Street, Carrick Vennel branched off into the burgh moor and so through Alloway, leading to the Old Bridge of Doon. It would be the quickest route, from the market into Carrick. Part of it exists as Carrick Street. Some say it also bore the name of the Foul Vennel.^ Cow VENNEL (or COWGAIT). The Cow Vennel also led off the High Street into the burgh moor. The built-up part of it is now appropriately named Alloway Street, for the original path led through Alloway to Maybole. The old name shows the reason for the route because it was the Cow Road along which cattle were herded to the communal pasture. Along this vennel were located the cattle markets known as the Fauld-backs.* FOUL VENNEL (or FOUL CALSAY) . The burgh moor was also approached through the Foul Vennel. There is much per-plexity as to the location of this lane and much conjecture as to the meaning of its title. Some authorities aver that Foul Calsay led from the Sandgate to the Kirk of St. John the Baptist. Others maintain that it is the Carrick Vennel under an alternative name.^