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Title: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Kim Stretton on Friday 11 September 20 11:21 BST (UK)
I am quite new to this, and made a huge mistake their were 2 Herbert Wesley's born the same month in 1907, my grandfather Harold died in 1966, however I picked up the wrong line of a Herbert that died in 1988.  My Herbert's line has hit a brick wall, so many Wesley's born in the Derbyshire area at the same time.  I know he had a sister (name unknown), and two brothers, William and Edward.  Can anyone help?
Thank you
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 11 September 20 11:29 BST (UK)
This is the death you mean  :-\
Deaths Sep qtr 1966 
WESLEY    HERBERT    age 55   
ILKESTON    3A   315
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 11 September 20 11:31 BST (UK)
Hello

It should be possible to find your Harold on the census after his birth, hopefully with parents and siblings.

He should also appear on the 1939 register which gives date of birth. 

Who did he marry please?  The marriage should name his father and occupation. 

Lots to go on and I'm sure you will soon be on the right track.
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 11 September 20 11:33 BST (UK)
Is this your one?

Deaths Sep 1966   (>99%)
WESLEY    HERBERT    55    ILKESTON    3A   315

If so,  born about 1911.

Have you his marriage certificate? How old does he say he is on there. Is it consistent with age at death?   Name and occupation of father?  Witnesses?   And of course  name of  Bride and her father.

Have you found him in 1939?


Added, sorry Millipede, redboxed  ;D
And Rosie  ???
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 11 September 20 11:33 BST (UK)
Oops there are 2 names in there - Herbert and Harold - is it Herbert you want or was he known as Harold?
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Marmalady on Friday 11 September 20 11:34 BST (UK)
Is his name Herbert or Harold?
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 11 September 20 11:35 BST (UK)
Kim, I got confused as you mention him as both Herbert & Harold  ;D

Did he marry Eugenie Fere  :-\
Marriage Dec qtr 1933 
Fere    Eugenie    (Wesley)   
Wesley    Herbert    (Fere)   
Shardlow    7b   1325   

Possible birth
Births Sep qtr 1910 
WESLEY    Herbert (MMN Gould)       
Ashby Z.    7a   101
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 11 September 20 11:35 BST (UK)
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2 Herbert Wesley's born the same month in 1907,

I can only see one birth registration for that spelling in 1907

Sep 1907 Sheffield with mothers maiden name Flint
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Marmalady on Friday 11 September 20 11:36 BST (UK)
Possible birth:
WESLEY, HERBERT   mother's maiden name:FLINT 
GRO Reference: 1907  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 592
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 11 September 20 11:38 BST (UK)
I see you have another post about Eugenie so presumably this marrieage


Did he marry Eugenie Fere  :-\
Marriage Dec qtr 1933 
Fere    Eugenie    (Wesley)   
Wesley    Herbert    (Fere)   
Shardlow    7b   1325   

Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Kim Stretton on Friday 11 September 20 11:39 BST (UK)
Hi yes it was a typo, been at this hours🧐🧐, his name was Herbert, and I have found his marriage details to Eugenie etc, there is no information on the marriage details of his mothers maiden name, I cannot find any census details to establish their names.  It is his father and mother I am trying to trace, thanks for the replies.

I found one census record for Herbert and Eugenie, that had their date of birth on it, and showed his as 1907?
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: chempat on Friday 11 September 20 11:40 BST (UK)
You mean he is showing as born 1907 on the 1939 register.

Do you know who registered his death to get the information incorrect, possibly?
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 11 September 20 11:41 BST (UK)
Do you have the marriage certificate as that should give information on his father
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 11 September 20 11:43 BST (UK)
If Rosie is on the right track with mothers name Gould the parents are Joseph & Maria and they have lots of children including an Edward and a William.

However those are all in Leicestershire, does that count as "Derbyshire way"  :-\
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Marmalady on Friday 11 September 20 11:43 BST (UK)
Births of siblings?
WESLEY, ALFRED  JOHN     FLINT 
GRO Reference: 1904  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 703

WESLEY, BEATRICE  ELIZA     FLINT 
GRO Reference: 1906  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 666
 

Also possibly:
WESLEY, GEORGE       FLINT 
GRO Reference: 1909  J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 355

   WESLEY, ADA       FLINT 
GRO Reference: 1910  D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 325

   WESLEY, MABEL       FLINT 
GRO Reference: 1912  D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 644

WESLEY, JOHN       FLINT 
GRO Reference: 1915  J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 638


Sheffield area can encompass parts of Derbyshire

Both Sheffield & Nottingham can be thought of as "Derbyshire way"
 
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Kim Stretton on Friday 11 September 20 11:45 BST (UK)
Yes he is show on the 1939  records as dob 08/07/1907. 

The other Herbert mentioned on the replies as mothers maiden name Flint, is the line I had previously followed but he died in 1988, my grandad died in 1966, I was only a small child and have had this confirmed by my dad.  So I have as I said hit a brick wall in trying to trace Herbert's parents, my dad does not recall their names🤔.
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: ColC on Friday 11 September 20 11:46 BST (UK)
I cannot find any Harold born around that time and the nearest Herbert to Derbyshire below


WESLEY, HERBERT       GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1910  S Quarter in ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 101

Colin
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 11 September 20 11:46 BST (UK)
The other possible siblings are

George

Sarah

Joseph
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: chempat on Friday 11 September 20 11:48 BST (UK)
You need to get his marriage certificate for his Father's name.  Not worth going wrong twice.
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: ColC on Friday 11 September 20 11:49 BST (UK)
Others, there may be more.

WESLEY, ETHEL       GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1909  J Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 120

WESLEY, HAROLD       GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1912  M Quarter in ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 205

Colin
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 11 September 20 11:50 BST (UK)
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Yes he is show on the 1939  records as dob 08/07/1907.

I think we have the right family with Joseph & Maria nee Gould then as there is a military pension record which gives Herberts birth as 08/07/1910 so just the year is wrong.  Not 1907 but 1910. 

Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 11 September 20 11:51 BST (UK)
By 1911 Joseph & Maria had had 12 children but only 6 still living. 

Marriage for them 1892.
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: chempat on Friday 11 September 20 11:52 BST (UK)
On your tree on Ancestry you have his father as Herbert Alfred Wesley - is this your incorrect family?
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: Kim Stretton on Friday 11 September 20 11:54 BST (UK)
Hi all, I think I will look at at Rosie's info. Get the other sibling names and see if my dad recalls them, if all else fails I will as recommended order a marriage certificate.

I was trying to search for a link so assumed his fathers name would begin with a H so put it on my family tree to see if I could get a hint, you folks have given me so much more info.

THANK YOU ALL so much, you have been a great help😀
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 11 September 20 12:02 BST (UK)
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Yes he is show on the 1939  records as dob 08/07/1907.

I think we have the right family with Joseph & Maria nee Gould then as there is a military pension record which gives Herberts birth as 08/07/1910 so just the year is wrong.  Not 1907 but 1910.

Herbert Wesley
Birth date   23 Jun 1910
Baptism    28 Sep 1914
Whitwick, St John the Baptist, Leicestershire
Father Joseph
Mother Maria
Fathers occupation Soldier
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: ColC on Friday 11 September 20 12:05 BST (UK)
This might be way off beam but I thought it might be worth posting as I cannot find a Wesley marriage.

Robert Wigley a Turner father Job a Blacksmiths Striker married Mary Jane Gould father Herbert Gould
A Brewers Labourer , witnesses Herbert & Mary Gould. All signed.
14 Oct 1905 Derby, St Chad, Derbyshire

WIGLEY, BEATRICE  ANNIE     GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 656

No other births there, so did they move across the border and the name changed?

Colin
Title: Re: Searching for info on HERBERT WESLEY BORN 1907 Derbyshire way
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 11 September 20 14:48 BST (UK)
Where was your father living in 1939, was he with other family.  I assume it is his sibling that is living with their parents