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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Newfloridian on Friday 11 September 20 18:57 BST (UK)
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Jack Beesworth was born in Cottingham, Northamptonshire in 1865. He mobved to Kirkby in Ashfield to become a miner. He married Emma Ball (daughter of George from Codnor, Derbyshire) in 1891 as Basford Register Office
They had a daughter Lydia in 1891 but then both seem to have disappeared.
Lydia was with her grandparents in Sherwood Street in 1901. She married Henry Rose in 1913 and had at least three children. She was a widow in 1939 (second question: when did Henry Rose die?) and married George Berrington in 1944
Help solving these mysteries would be gratefully received.
Alan
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Probate register entry
Henry Rose of Main Street, Calverton.
Died 16 Oct 1936
Administration 17 Mar 1958 to Lydia Berrington, widow
Henry was born c1880
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Lydia remarried in 1944 to George Berrington. She is on the 1939 register as Rose
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Thank you Mabel
You have certainly answered my supplementary puzzle but by posing a greater one. Why should it have taken 32 years to be granted administration of his will (ie March 17th 1958) when Henry Rose died in October 1936? His widow had already been remarried by 14 years then. Something most odd here.
Methinks I'll have to look at that document and hope it provides an answer
Cheers Alan
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Any possibility the death in 1894 of Emma Jane Beadsworth aged 21 is your Emma? Can’t see an 1891 entry for an Emma Beadsworth
Death was in Northants - not Notts
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Wonder if the surname was actually Beadsworth
Births Sept qtr 1865 Jack Beadsworth Kettering 3b 171
There is a Jack Beadsworth b 1865 living in Derbyshire in 1939
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Hi Carole
Our research into this family is bedevilled by surname spelling variations. They started out as I think Beardsworth in Uppingham and progressed through Beesworth and Beedsworth and ultimately Beadsworth. The same family and indeed the same individual can be so "blessed" in consecutive documents. Occasionally has been indexed as Busworth.
Cheers Alan
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1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJN-5QQ
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T6-6FT
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Freebmd & GRO online show Herbert Beadsworth b 1899 - mmn Dunn
Marriage 1896 - John Beesworth to Mary Rebeckah Dunn
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The Emma Jane Beadsworth you mentioned was Jack Beesworth's niece
Alan
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What about the 1901/1911 census entries & marriage?
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familysearch has Emma Beesworth b. 1871 with husband Jack and 1 month old daughter Lydia at her father George Ball's home in Kirkby in Ashfield in the 1891 census. George was born in another centre of interest to me from another branch of the family in Codnor Derbyshire. This is the only record I can find of Jack and Emma in any of the major records.
To put things into perspective Jack is just one of over 40 of the known grandchildren of William Beesworth and Priscilla Readihoof of Cottingham Northamptonshire. That family were dab hands at giving their children the same first names.
Alan
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Sorry should have said Jack was one of the ELEVEN SONS of William Beesworth and Priscilla Reddihoof. William and Priscilla amassed 44 grandchildren at my last count and that figure is still rising.
Alan
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Have also discounted the Emma Beadsworth who died in the Northampton District in 1924. She was Emma Margaret Hooker (born 1871) who married William Beadsworth in August 1888. William was Jack Beesworth's second cousin
Alan
btw: I'm still trying to figure out who Jack Beadsworth (dob June 17th 1865) appearing in the 1939 Register is. He is living in Shardlow Derby but with a Mary Beadsworth.
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Birthplace the same as that given for Jack.
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In my earlier replies I gave birth & marriage details for John Beadsworth
1901 & 1911 he is John but Jack in 1939
Couple of choices. You can buy a copy of the 1865 birth cert to get his exact birthdate for comparison with 1939 entry or buy a copy of the 1896 marriage cert to see if he is shown as a widower and whether his fathers details match those on his marriage to Emma Ball
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You are correct on the marriage! Now just need to check on the death of Emma. Shouldn't take too long. I placed a pdf order with the GRO on Thursday and it was in my email box timed at 00.05 this morning!
I haven't figured out where 10 year old daughter Lydia was in the 1901 census!
Cheers Alan
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Lydia is with her Ball grandparents in 1901
RG13 Piece 2146 Folio 32 page 55
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Thank you Mabel
You have certainly answered my supplementary puzzle but by posing a greater one. Why should it have taken 32 years to be granted administration of his will (ie March 17th 1958) when Henry Rose died in October 1936? His widow had already been remarried by 14 years then. Something most odd here.
Methinks I'll have to look at that document and hope it provides an answer
Cheers Alan
An Administrator is appointed by a Court to manage or administer a decedent's estate where there is no will. So it seems likely she just carried on with assumed inheritance of everything when he died. Then something happened in 1956 which required legal loose ends to be tied up (sale of a house perhaps?) which could only be done with proper closure and distribution of the estate
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Lydia is with her Ball grandparents in 1901
RG13 Piece 2146 Folio 32 page 55
Anyone found Lydia in 1911?
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Suspect she may be the 20yr old Lydia Ball indexed as Dall
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This is my take on Lydia. It is pretty obvious from dates that Emma Ball was heavily pregnant at the beginning of 1891. I haven't seen the actual certificate of her marriage to Jack so can't tell whether Lydia was born before or after it. The 1939 Register says she was born on March 22nd 1891. She was registered with the name Beadsworth but I've seen plenty of pre-marriage illegitimate children registered with the husband's surname.
Emma died (death pdf awaited for confirmation) in 1894.
Jack moved on and married again in in May 1896 Burton upon Trent to Mary Rebeckah Dunn and moved to Shardlow, Derby - leaving Lydia with her Ball grandparents. Lydia's mother died in 1903.
Jack and Mary went on to have seven children by 1910
I do agree with Carole that Lydia went into service in 1911 calling herself Lydia Ball. Ancestry interpreted the "B" as a "D". However there were no Lydia Ball's born in Notts or Derbys around 1890 that I could see. She is indexed as Lydia Ball on FindMyPast.
That 1911 census gives Lydia's place of birth as East Kirby, Nottinghamshire
She married Henry Rose in 1913. Working backwards from his death in Calverton where they settled in 1936 that makes his birth year to be 1880. The 1911 census shows a Harry Rose aged 30 born in Calverton boarding with his 22 year old brother William in Station Street, East Kirby.
In general I'm always suspicious of coincidences in family history and I think this is all too close for comfort to be one.
Cheers Alan
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Re: Death of Emma Beadsworth Kettering 1894 - pdf awaited.
However, Jack's sister was also named Emma Jane and was born about 1873. Now discovered she married Thomas Edward Barsby in 1903 and went to live in Nottingham. In 1911 she was providing lodgings for her nephew William Beadsworth, his wife Emily Jane Salmon and new daughter Emma.
Alan
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leaving Lydia with her Ball grandparents. Lydia's mother died in 1903.
Think you mean grandmother - Emma (her mother) died 1894
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That 1911 census gives Lydia's place of birth as East Kirby, Nottinghamshire
She married Henry Rose in 1913. Working backwards from his death in Calverton where they settled in 1936 that makes his birth year to be 1880.
The 1911 census shows a Harry Rose aged 30 born in Calverton boarding with his 22 year old brother William in Station Street, East Kirby.
In general I'm always suspicious of coincidences in family history and I think this is all too close for comfort to be one.
1926 Electoral Register Parish of Calverton Nottingham
Address Main Street
Sarah Rose
Frederick Rose
Henry Rose
Lydia Rose
Henry ROSE
Birth ? May 1880
Baptism 02 Oct 1881
Denomination Anglican
Church St Wilfrid Calverton
Parents John Rose & Sarah
Main Street, Calverton, Basford, Nottinghamshire
John Rose Head Married1854 Joiner Calverton, Nottinghamshire,
Sarah Rose Wife Married 1858 - Nottinghamshire
Henry Rose Son 1881 Agricultural Lr Calverton, Nottinghamshire
William Rose Son 1889 Calverton, Nottinghamshire
Frederick Rose Son 1891 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
George F Rose Son 1893 Calverton, Nottinghamshire
Alice Rose Daughter 1895 Calverton, Nottinghamshire
Charles W Rose Son 1898 Calverton
1901c RG13 Piece 3159 Folio 43 Page 12
Henry ROSE age 35
Birth town Calverton
Service number 592064
Regiment Labour Corps
Unit / Battalion 484th Agricultural Company
Year 1916
Children
John Henry 18th April 1913
Mary Winifred 3rd June 1915
Vera Annie 23rd Sept 1917
Details verified from Birth Certificates at Chelsea, 3 b/c returned 15/7/19
Henry Rose Signed document on May 3rd to confirm statement was correct
Address Main Street Calverton Notts
Details of when he joined etc...... he was wounded 3 11 17 (GWS R. Shoulder)
Next of kin wife Lydia Rose, Main St, Calverton
Record available on F M P
Lydia BERRINGTON of 62 Main Street Calverton Notts
Died 22 Aug 1974 Probate 12 Nov 1974
Death entry gives Lydia’s dob 24 Mar 1891
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Many thanks for those details Ladyhawk - added to my pile.
Incidentally confirmed the cause of death for the Emma Beadsworth who died in Northampton in 1924. Was Emma Hooker I I noted above. She died of TB
The other Emma's certificate awaited.
Alan
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Well, all sorted - except for one element.
This is the timeline:
Jack / John Beadsworth (b. 1866) married Emma Williamson Ball (b. 1872ish) in 1891 (Basford Register Office)
They had a daughter Lydia (b. 1891) and lived in Kirkby in Ashfield
John / Jack Beadsworth married Mary Rebeckah Dun (b. 1870) on May 25th 1896 - Holy Trinity Church, Anslow, Burton on Trent. John / Jack "a widower"
They had 7 children and lived in Derby
In 1901 Lydia was living with her grandparents. In 1911, Lydia called herself Ball. In 1913 Lydia married Henry Rose.
On February 22nd 1894, Emma Jane Ball (21 years) died in Cottingham, Northamptonshire of tuberculosis. Death notified by her brother Anthony from Great Oakley. She was Jack / John's sister
In 1903 Emma Jane Beadsworth married Thomas Edward Barsby. She was the daughter of Jack / John's brother William and his wife Esther Tansley. Indeed William was living with her in 1939.
So, what happened to Emma? Did she died? No trace of Emma Beadsworth (or alternative spellings) or Emma Ball in the death indexes. No trace of her in subsequent census returns. No obvious report of a divorce. Leaving one remaining question - was Jack / John therefore a bigamist?
Cheers Alan