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Title: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Rochdalian on Monday 14 September 20 06:27 BST (UK)

I need help please deciphering some words on the marriage entry, forth line down on the attachment.
The transcription gave me 'John Blackburne & Beatrice Lamason 1 July 1627'.
My concerns are the brides surname which does not look like Lamason more like Lauraston and also the word after her surname, which may be a place name?

Cheers & Stay Safe
Bob   
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: horselydown86 on Monday 14 September 20 07:00 BST (UK)
It's a good thing you asked:

...& Beatrice Lancaster the seventeenth day [ie of July]
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Pennines on Monday 14 September 20 12:55 BST (UK)
Absolutely agree with Horselydown.

Bob -- it's a long 'S' in Lancaster. Also, if you look at the other entries - they all end with the handwritten date.

(As an aside - what a coincidence that you have 2 people with surnames from place names in the County of Lancashire - marrying at Birstall in Yorkshire!

Maybe originally ----way back in 13c both families heralded from those settlements - thereby being given their names).
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Rochdalian on Monday 14 September 20 23:59 BST (UK)
Thanks Horselydown and Pennines.  Amazing what you can see once it's pointed out.

Good point you make there Pennines about their names, very interesting. 

Cheers & Stay Safe
Bob
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 15 September 20 10:39 BST (UK)
Bob - funnily enough I also have a Blackburn line in West Yorkshire (Mirfield) - I found that it was sometimes spelt Blegburne or Blagburn - although you have already got a long way back with yours so that might not affect you.

It was the way it was often pronounced - even in my living memory!!
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Rochdalian on Wednesday 16 September 20 00:14 BST (UK)
Yes, my Blackburn ancestors seem to be around Mirfield/Wakefield/Birstall/Batley area.  Can't say I've come across those other spellings just sometimes having an 'e' on the end.
My 6xgreat grandfather Samuel Blackburn (b 1683) was a clothier of Hopton which I believe is part of Mirfield.  His daughter Martha married William Pearson and that's were I come in.

Bob
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Biggles50 on Wednesday 16 September 20 00:39 BST (UK)
Yes, my Blackburn ancestors seem to be around Mirfield/Wakefield/Birstall/Batley area.  Can't say I've come across those other spellings just sometimes having an 'e' on the end.
My 6xgreat grandfather Samuel Blackburn (b 1683) was a clothier of Hopton which I believe is part of Mirfield.  His daughter Martha married William Pearson and that's were I come in.

Bob

The magic name PEARSON, is also in my tree and yes so is Birstall where Mary Pearson baptised there married Eli Collins there in 1768 and that is where I come in.
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 16 September 20 10:41 BST (UK)
Oh wow - yes Hopton and Birstall feature a lot in the events of my West Yorkshire ancestors.

Perhaps all of our ancestors knew one another!!
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Biggles50 on Wednesday 16 September 20 12:17 BST (UK)
Oh wow - yes Hopton and Birstall feature a lot in the events of my West Yorkshire ancestors.

Perhaps all of our ancestors knew one another!!

Pretty sure that a lot must have known each other and I see from your signature that you have Townend in your family from the area as I do with Emily Townend born c 1864.

My Wife and I have ancestors who must have attended the same Chapel in Great Horton and we even share a DNA match with another person.
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 16 September 20 12:36 BST (UK)
Biggles - how amazing that you and your wife share a DNA match.

I have just checked back on my Townends - Birstall and ended up in Liversedge. Funnily enough my earliest Townend (John b about 1713) -- married an Anne Preston.

This fits into the original theme of Rochdalians query - where 2 Lancashire town surnames married in Birstall (Lancaster and Blackburn). So I have another person with a Lancashire town surname (Preston) -- living in that area! There must have been a horse and coach trip over the Pennines!
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Biggles50 on Wednesday 16 September 20 15:33 BST (UK)
Biggles - how amazing that you and your wife share a DNA match.

I have just checked back on my Townends - Birstall and ended up in Liversedge. Funnily enough my earliest Townend (John b about 1713) -- married an Anne Preston.

This fits into the original theme of Rochdalians query - where 2 Lancashire town surnames married in Birstall (Lancaster and Blackburn). So I have another person with a Lancashire town surname (Preston) -- living in that area! There must have been a horse and coach trip over the Pennines!

Finding the shared DNA match with my Wife was surreal, I clicked on DNA and it showed photo images of eight matches to my Wife, I then clicked to change the DNA matches to me and one of the images stayed the same.

My Wife has town/village names, Osbaldeston, Houghton, Radcliffe, Mellor, Preston, Astley, and one local to Rochdale namely Bamforth in her tree.

Whilst I have Broughton and Heysham.
Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 16 September 20 16:18 BST (UK)
I wonder if that's some sort of record for the number of obvious place names in someone's ancestry!

Title: Re: Help Needed with Marriage Please - 1627 Birstall Yorkshire
Post by: Biggles50 on Wednesday 16 September 20 16:21 BST (UK)
I wonder if that's some sort of record for the number of obvious place names in someone's ancestry!

It is sort of sad that I remembered those names without having to look them up.