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Title: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: pritchardgeo on Wednesday 16 September 20 08:44 BST (UK)
william son of richard 1682 denbighshire. but where please ?.
thank you.
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 09:34 BST (UK)
Something like

Maesyrychen

Which parish is this?

Gadget
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 09:35 BST (UK)
It's William son to Robert Pritchard not Richard
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: bbart on Wednesday 16 September 20 09:37 BST (UK)
Other entries in that book look like Llantysilio ( maybe Llandysilio ) and Cymo, if that helps.
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 09:43 BST (UK)
Maes yr Ychen is in Llantysilio as some of my ancestors were from there.  The page has mentions of  Llangollen as well.
If I recall correctly, it's to the north of Llantysilio and west of the Horseshoe Pass.

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/deb823e9-8a2a-4f72-b37c-edd267714419

Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Sam Swift on Wednesday 16 September 20 09:47 BST (UK)
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/deb823e9-8a2a-4f72-b37c-edd267714419
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: bbart on Wednesday 16 September 20 10:00 BST (UK)
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/deb823e9-8a2a-4f72-b37c-edd267714419

Gadget beat you to it!

Pritchardgeo, just in case you missed it, a few pages earlier is the burial entry for Robert Pritchard's son, Richard (from memory, it was 1681)
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 10:05 BST (UK)
My 2x great grandparents had a small farm in that Llantysilio township and then they came upon hard times and he was a road labourer when he died.

We used to go on walks from school along the canal to Llantysilio, whee the Llangollen canal starts  :)
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 10:10 BST (UK)
Although baptisms were rarely performed in the parish church, here's a small version pic of Llantysilio church that I took in about 2005
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: bbart on Wednesday 16 September 20 10:15 BST (UK)
Gadget, I was just looking up the church!  You read my mind!

Would it be the same church being discussed here?  https://historypoints.org/index.php?page=llantysilio-church-llangollen
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 10:32 BST (UK)
Yes, I would think so. I've not been in there but I know the area well. The church is just below the road. We used to walk up to Valle Crucis as well - one of our teachers was fond of walking. Also , we learnt of the destruction of the Abbeys by Henry Vlll that way  :)

One of my Burgess cousins (removed) was policeman there in the late 19th century. He would probably have known my Jones line  :)

PS - forgot to say that Maes yr ychen means field of the oxen  - maes = field and ych = ox ychen = oxen
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: pritchardgeo on Wednesday 16 September 20 10:49 BST (UK)
thank you both, i would never have figured that one out. i have been in the churchyard though looking for possible ancestors but that was a while back !. thank you again great help.loads of Joneses too !.brian
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: pritchardgeo on Wednesday 16 September 20 11:11 BST (UK)
sorry.but also this one now. but on the transaction on f.m.p it says gresford ? its jan 29th 1682
but looks like the same place as william ?.
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 11:27 BST (UK)
I think it says Allington which, from memory is in Gresford.
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 11:28 BST (UK)
https://www.peoplescollection.wales/items/760266#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&r=0&xywh=-2%2C-1531%2C21520%2C19386

Add - my connection is playing up - this should have been attached to previous post!
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: pritchardgeo on Wednesday 16 September 20 11:45 BST (UK)
o/k thank you.thought i had found brothers but maybe not. i live in llay and had never heard of allington-until now that is. thanks again.brian
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 12:51 BST (UK)
The Allington area  is to the east of Llay between Marford/Rossett and Trevalyn

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102341186#zoom=4&lat=3924&lon=4195&layers=BT

 :)
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: pritchardgeo on Wednesday 16 September 20 13:23 BST (UK)
does record of william born 1682 llantysilio give the name of his mother please. wife of robert.
thanks
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: DonM on Wednesday 16 September 20 13:37 BST (UK)
Gadget,

My wife has Burgess who lived just south of the Horseshoe Pass a few houses from a school. That was in the early 70's so I don't remember much.

Don
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 14:15 BST (UK)
does record of william born 1682 llantysilio give the name of his mother please. wife of robert.
thanks

It says 'son of Robert Pritchard of Maesyrychen and Jane Williams his wife'
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 16 September 20 14:19 BST (UK)
Gadget,

My wife has Burgess who lived just south of the Horseshoe Pass a few houses from a school. That was in the early 70's so I don't remember much.

Don

Was this 1970 ? If so it's unlikely to be the same branch. Many moved to Canada/USA before then and others were nearer Rhyl.  They originated in Kirkcudbrightshire and moved down to North Wales in the 1830s.
Title: Re: can anyone tell my what the place of birth is please
Post by: pritchardgeo on Wednesday 16 September 20 16:00 BST (UK)
its a very nice area i really like it there,but i imagine times were very hard then.thank you.brian