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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: susiee on Friday 18 September 20 23:18 BST (UK)
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This is a small portion on an arrival manifest for the Samuel Plimsoll into NSW Aug 19-1876
A Mother
Daughter
2 sons left are marked clearly as leaving on the manifest .
They arrived inNSW 19 Aug and left a few weeks later they leave on the Dandenong for Victoria on the Dandenong arriving 4 Sept
The mother went missing then and never seen again .
Wondering if we have found one of the children has not arrived into NSW perhaps died en route to NSW butim having trouble working out
Margaret Doughterty -Work woman ( Interesting term ) .
Alicia then " do "
1 child
Is this "do " a ditto for the other child .
It seems odd that they did not record the actual child
If not it may explain the mothers mental state upon arrival in Victoria .
I would load the docs butthey wont load so trying to load this snippet at least
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At the freely available NSW archives online images if the Assisted Passenger list for that voyage, at page 12 of 21, under the section for Widows and their families:
DOUGHTERY
Margaret, 35, Antrim, Ch of Eng, Both (Read and Write)
Alice, 15, Weaver, Antrim, CofE, both
Robert, 14, Labourer, Belfast, CofE, Both
John, 10, no further details.
Likely from your attached snip the child would be John, and likely Alice is listed with Margaret as they are both females charged at adult rates for mess purposes. Likely Robert would be listed separately too, as he too, at 14 would be messed as an adult. I expect your snip is from the images available from the other reels at NSW Archives and made freely available via Mariners and ships in Australian waters website.
JM
This is a small portion on an arrival manifest for the Samuel Plimsoll into NSW Aug 19-1876
A Mother
Daughter
2 sons left are marked clearly as leaving on the manifest .
They arrived inNSW 19 Aug and left a few weeks later they leave on the Dandenong for Victoria on the Dandenong arriving 4 Sept
The mother went missing then and never seen again .
Wondering if we have found one of the children has not arrived into NSW perhaps died en route to NSW butim having trouble working out
Margaret Doughterty -Work woman ( Interesting term ) .
Alicia then " do "
1 child
Is this "do " a ditto for the other child .
It seems odd that they did not record the actual child
If not it may explain the mothers mental state upon arrival in Victoria .
I would load the docs butthey wont load so trying to load this snippet at least
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http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4800/Samuel%20Plimsoll_19%20Aug%201876/4_480000044.jpg&No=7
Manifest
I cant see the boy separately on the manifest though.
still not understanding- is that mark beside Alice ----- a ditto mark -----
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".. they leave on the Dandenong for Victoria on the Dandenong arriving 4 Sept"
Who went from Sydney to Victoria....what names please?
And sponsor Hugh DOGHERTY is in Australia already.........husband in the colony?
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Yes, 'do' is the usual abbreviation, so Alice's surname is read as DOGHERTY.
The name of the child is not recorded on your snip.
JM
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Ditto for the surname.
Jamjar
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Hopefully doc will load as i have them all but they are too big
Margaret
Miss 10
Robert 12
John 8
Different ages for 2 of them to the manifest dept UK
Yes the deposit journal was the year before from memory
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I have Checked both the digitised lists, and I do not see any mention of 'leaving ' recorded against Robert or John or Alice. Perhaps the handwriting is not as easy to read as it could be.
JM.
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Sorry having a lot of trouble with posts not posting attachments not posting etc. Just trying again to post a slither of what you want
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Trying to post the second bit
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Thanks every one for helping here i am having such trouble loading things here and i have it all .
So im, clear
The ditto beside Alice simply means the surmame again as mothers above.
There is only one child marked under Alice
There should be 3 on that list
I cannot find the third child anywhere else on the manifest recorded in another manner .
Im also trying to find more info of the trip and there is a diary at a NSW family history group on the trip .
So do you think that there is a child missing here perhaps dead on en route
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Manifest on the left arrival into NSW list on the right
With it not loading this is the best i can do i'm afraid perhaps later today it might not play up .
Thanks everyone so much
Ill try again later this arvo and see how it goes then .
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Thanks every one for helping here i am having such trouble loading things here and i have it all .
So im, clear
The ditto beside Alice simply means the surmame again as mothers above.
There is only one child marked under Alice
There should be 3 on that list
I cannot find the third child anywhere else on the manifest recorded in another manner .
Im also trying to find more info of the trip and there is a diary at a NSW family history group on the trip .
So do you think that there is a child missing here perhaps dead on en route
Alice and Robert were NOT considered as children on either of those lists, hence their names and occupations, religion, place of birth, and education.
They were messed as adults, as they were aged 14 and over, so full adult fares, meals, bedding etc. The child is not named on ONE of the two lists, but that is not unusual.
So three of Margaret's children came with her. Are you expecting more?
JM
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Evening News 23 Aug 1876 ... it's digitised, freely available via Trove.
Page 3 ... full list of passengers ... Margaret, Robert, Alice, John ... onboard the vessel, moored at the Quarantine Station waiting to be released from Quarantine .... no, not CoVid, but typhoid fever, one death during voyage.
JM still on e reader.
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Marriages?
682/1879 DIXON Henry Edwin to DOUGHERTY Alicia
Death: 8241/1951 DIXON Alicia parents Margaret ANDERSON and DOHERTY Hugh ALBERT PARK aged 90
Death notice, page 2: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19510728&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
869/1889 DOHERTY John to MCLAUGHLIN Mary
Death: 10850/1939 DOHERTY John parents Margaret ANDERSON and DOHERTY John BELFAST IRELAND FITZROY aged 74
Death and funeral notices, 1st and 5th columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205592209
Children:
5381/1890 John Werner - married 5155/1911 MILES Lillian Letitia Esther Emma - died 10268/1960
Death and funeral notices, type 8 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19600811&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Springvale Botanical Cemetery - Cremated - Tecoma, Tree 04
John Werner Doherty 12 August 1960
Lillian Letica Esther Doherty 4 June 1970
25135/1891 Charles Harold - married 5467/1922 MCCLAREN Myrtle Sarah Kath - died 21234/1961
Death and funeral notices, type 7 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19611106&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169116800/charles-doherty
21716/1898 Hugh Gladstone - married 14581/1937 BYRNE Mary Agnes
Springvale Botanical Cemetery - buried - C E Bolingbroke Lawn, Row H, Grave 56
Hugh Gladstone Doherty buried 2 January 1992
Molly Agnes Doherty buried 9 March 1971
I don’t see anything for Robert.
Jamjar
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A brief bio
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The mother went missing then and never seen again .
Are you able to say more about the missing woman?
Do you mean you can't find her? Or are there reports about her disappearing?
EDIT To remove irrelevant information!!
Sue
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The mother went missing then and never seen again .
Are you able to say more about the missing woman?
Do you mean you can't find her? Or are there reports about her disappearing?
EDIT To remove irrelevant information!!
Sue
That’s too early, Sue. She arrived 1876.
Death of husband:
12457/1882 DOUGHERTY Hugh parents Mary MCDONALD Hugh MELB.S.HOS wife ANDERSON, Margaret, aged 46
Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article198561762
You say Robert is shown as deceased on Hugh’s death cert. What does it have for his wife?
Jamjar
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Yes, I realised that after I posted and edited it out!
Sue
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The index for Hugh's death registration has Margaret's status as WIFE and her maiden name .... so she is unlikely to have disappeared from the memory of the family. Alice needed to be 21 to marry without needing to seek consent from a family member. Who is recorded on her m.c. re consent to marry when she married in 1879 .... how is her mum recorded on that?
JM
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we have been trying to dig up all of this. Nothing on TROVE as a reported missing woman or assaults or body found or coroners inv, have really tried to rule that stuff out already .
The family dont seem to know all that info about when she went missing but it was pretty soon they thought .
Have now found she had a brother who died there ill try and load those cert and see how it goes
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im going to try and load these certs again now
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Im afraid my lap top is dieing as i am trying to load all these things !!!
so i'm going to have to get someone else to do it later as im now loading an external hard drive to rescue stuff so and i will have to sort that first but i have asked some oone else to log on here later to put that info on hopefully.
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Mary can be a mis-read for Marg. So I wonder about the 44 year old whose death at E MELB HOS is indexed in 1886 in Vic BDM .... #2412. Possibly at Find A Grave as Mary DOUGHARTY, Melbourne Gen Cemetery
Plot MGC RC Comp S no 810
JM
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Hugh and daughter were C of E:
Melbourne General Cemetery MGC-COE-Comp-X-No-139
Hugh Dougherty
Birth:1836
Death: 23 Oct 1882 (aged 45–46)
Alicia Dixon
Death: 20 Sep 1951
Her death notice states that she was privately cremated.
Henry Edwin Dixon
Birth: 1856
Death: 15 Nov 1931
Hugh Henry Dixon
BIRTH: 1881
Death: 18 Mar 1949
Alicia’s other sons:
Springvale Botanical Cemetery - Cremated - Agonis, Bed 51, Rose 21
Henry Edwin Dixon 8 April 1944
Springvale Botanical Cemetery - Cremated - Location: Dodonaea
Francis Adolphus Dixon 29 August 1966
Jamjar
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Although the location of the DIXON couple and Hugh DOUGHERTY are the same ( Section x, Grave 139) the headstone at the site reads
DIXON
Sacred to the memory of Henry Edward Dixon of Albert Park passed away 15 November 1931 aged 75 years.
Alicia Dixon Jul 1951.
A life made beautiful by kindly deeds.
So no MI for Hugh.
Sue
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Is Margaret DOUGHERTY missing because you can see (newspapers) that people are looking for her?
Or....in researching her life in Australia you are not finding her death record?
Is this your family -
Census 1861 @ 11 Frederick (?) St Liverpool (in household with others)
DOUGHERTY Hugh 22y seaman b. Ireland
DOUGHERTY Margaret 20y b. Ireland
DOUGHERTY Alice 4m dau b. Ireland
GRO births
DOUGHERTY, Robert mms CARR
1862 DecQ in Liverpool Vol 08B Page 51
DOUGHERTY, John mms. CARR
1865 SepQ in Liverpool Vol 08B Page 11
DOUGHERTY, William mms CARR
1869 MarQ in Liverpool Vol 08B Page 67
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I will take a pic with my phone and send it all on them .
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