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Hi .I am looking for information about the above people who in 1866 abt,had a daughter Mary ,born in Reedy Creek in Victoria.
Mary married a John Bradley in Dubbo on the 22 June 1884.
Would like to know where William & Bridget married & did Mary have any siblings
Any help appreciated
Thank You
AG
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As far as I can see there is not a birth record matching the parameters you've given.
What is the source of the information you have given in your initial post?
If it is a marriage certificate transcription, can you please provide all details on the record.
Thanks, Sue
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NSW BDM online index has Mary as BURNES for the 1884 marriage registered in the district of Dubbo. It is possible that there are the usual elusive blanks re parents and the NSW BDM likely had not reconciled its holdings with church registers from those rural districts. BUT the index has an 'E' in BURNES. :)
JM
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I should also mention that Reedy Creek was and still is a locality in NSW ... postcode 2849, near Rylestone, so likely within the 1880s police district of Dubbo.
Thanks to my ancient living rellies residing in the Mudgee region and who are alert and checking and using their phone for actual phone calls. :'( ;D ;D
JM
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I should also mention that Reedy Creek was and still is a locality in NSW ... postcode 2849, near Rylestone, so likely within the 1880s police district of Dubbo.
Thanks to my ancient living rellies residing in the Mudgee region and who are alert and checking and using their phone for actual phone calls. :'( ;D ;D
JM
There is one in VIC, also: ‘Reedy Creek is a locality in central Victoria, Australia. The locality is in the Shire of Mitchell local government area, 99 kilometres north of the state capital, Melbourne. It is at 358 metres elevation. At the 2016 census, Reedy Creek had a population of 166’
Jamjar
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Could be related:
3690/1882 GRIBBEN Hugh to BURNES Frances DUBBO
4006/1884 BRADLEY John to BURNES Mary DUBBO
4866/1888 BURCH William to BURNES Martha NYMAGEE
I can’t find anything else on these folk. :-\
Jamjar
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Thank you everyone ,for your input.
I have a photo copy of marraige for Mary Burns & John Bradley from the church,which shows in her hand writing the name is Burns I believe the Burnes spelling is a transcript error.
I also shows her birth place a Reedy Creek in Victoria.
There is mention of a Martha Burns ,as a witness on the marraige certificate, so will follow up the entry for a marraige as mentioned.
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Only one VIC birth with those folks:
19572/1869 BURNS Martha parents Bridget BURNS and William WHITE HLLS
Jamjar
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On the photocopy from the church that you have, who gave permission for Mary to
Mary.marry
If she was born in abt 1866 as you suggest and married in 1884, she was probably underage.
Is the occupation of her father William mentioned?
Sue
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A couple more possibles- ???
BURNE Thomas
Parents William and Bridget BURNE
At Back Creek
1856/2866
BURNS, Edward
Parents William and Bridget BURNS
At Huntly
1873 / 3057
Sue
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HI
On the bottom of the certificate it says William Burns,father of the bride.was given to the marraige of Mary with John Bradley.The said Mary Burns being under the age of 21 years.... She was 18
William is listed as a labourer.
The family followed the railway , even as far as WA
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what denomination for that 1884 marriage?
JM
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Roman Catholic..
St Bridget's Church ,Dubbo
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Thanks, I have several of my 'Western NSW 1875-1901' archive boxes arriving next week
JM
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Given the birth for Martha BURNS found by Jamjar with same parent names
19572/1869 BURNS Martha parents Bridget BURNS and William WHITE HLLS
it seems possible that Martha who was a witness at Mary's wedding may be her sister, so you may wish to purchase the certificate for Martha which should give the date and place of marriage of parents. You probably know that images of Victorian registers can be downloaded immediately fpr $20
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
Sue also found some other births which may be siblings for Mary.
1856/2866 BURNE Thomas, Parents William and Bridget BURNE, Back Creek
1873/3057 BURNS, Edward, Parents William and Bridget BURNS, Huntly
These three births are in/around Bendigo, Victoria. Mary lists her birth as "Reedy Creek, Victoria" and yes there is a Reedy Creek in central Victoria, near Broadford - however there is a Reedy Creek which is a suburb of Bendigo. IF these births are related then I suspect that Mary's birth may have been the Reedy Creek near Bendigo.
From: https://localstats.com.au/demographics/vic/northern-victoria/bendigo/reedy-creek
Reedy Creek (3658) is a suburb of Northern Victoria, Bendigo, Victoria. It is about 63 kms from VIC's capital city of Melbourne. Reedy Creek is in the federal electorate of McEwen.
Plenty of Reedy Creeks in Victoria - others near Chiltern (Reedy Creek, Chiltern-Mt Pilot National Park), near Eldorado, near Lorne.
Judith
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"..Martha Burns ,as a witness " What names do you see for other witness/s?
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I think the Martha born 1869 would be too young to e a witness at Mary's wedding ?
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Only one VIC birth with those folks:
19572/1869 BURNS Martha parents Bridget BURNS and William WHITE HLLS
Jamjar
Martha BURNS aged 30 born Raywood, Victoria married in 1899 at Bendigo to Michael CULLINEY. Residence for both is Huntly. Martha's parents named as William BURNS and Bridget BYRNES.
Debra :)
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The age of witnesses to NSW marriages in that era .... that were up to the clergyman to determine ... it was more important for the clergyman o know that the witness understood their role .... I have quite a collection of CofE marriages for rural NSW 1856-1895. I am sure that some of the witnesses were as young as 12 or 13.... :) particularly if family members. Even in the 1960s, in NSW I attended a cousins wedding ... and her younger sister, born 1957, was one of the two witness signatures on the NSW BDM registration. :)
I think the Martha born 1869 would be too young to e a witness at Mary's wedding ?
ADD, one of my ancient rellies, retired NSW bdm senior officer has phoned as I posted. Yes, the NSWBDM info received from the clergy registering a marriage did not require the age of the witnesses. Up to the clergy or celebrant to determine their competence... e.g. even today a very drunk best man would sign as witness, in front of the invited guests but a third person may be discreetly asked to counter-sign, avoiding embarrassing the groom's choice. But if bride or groom are "too drunk" then the ceremony should not proceed. The age of witnesses has not really been tested under the no fault divorce laws, but it was tested in NSW Supreme Court in 1800s. Chief Justice Stephens ruled. My rellie will check and if he can find the ruling, he will let me know. I will post when I hear back.
JM
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Adding to Jm's post which has better historical information than my supposition - If Martha was Mary's sister and born in 1869 she would have been 15 at the time of Mary's wedding. While a witness probably should be an adult I'm not sure if there was an actual legal requirement. I have three marriage certificates 1850s-1899 where one of the witnesses was only a teenager.
Judith
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Yes, Judith is right, and err ... I have added more while she was posting.
JM
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Only one VIC birth with those folks:
19572/1869 BURNS Martha parents Bridget BURNS and William WHITE HLLS
Jamjar
Martha BURNS aged 30 born Raywood, Victoria married in 1899 at Bendigo to Michael CULLINEY. Residence for both is Huntly. Martha's parents named as William BURNS and Bridget BYRNES.
Debra :)
This Martha BURNS may have been of this family at Huntly
Mrs Bridget Burns dies in 1917,widow of William Burnns of Huntly
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/90720861
William BURNS of Huntly dies 1915
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/91082780
Possibly a child of the marriage between William BURCH and Martha BURNES at Nymagee in 1888
BIRCH Mary A
21513/1888
Parents William & Martha
at NYMAGEE
Sue
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Further to this family, I wonder if anyone might be able to help me find a birth entry for Mary Burns,please
She was born in 1866 in Reedy Creek Victoria to parents William Burns & Bridget Healey
I am at a loss to find anything
TIA AG
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Further to this family, I wonder if anyone might be able to help me find a birth entry for Mary Burns,please
She was born in 1866 in Reedy Creek Victoria to parents William Burns & Bridget Healey
I am at a loss to find anything
TIA AG
Hi,
Vic BDM certs are very detailed, and birth certs include the details of that baby's older siblings. So if you were to obtain the Vic BDM record for any of her younger siblings you should expect to find her name and then age :) and confirmation of her parents origins too.
My Dubbo archive box did not give me any info on Roman Catholic marriages St Bridgets, Dubbo, for that decade...
Given the birth for Martha BURNS found by Jamjar with same parent names
19572/1869 BURNS Martha parents Bridget BURNS and William WHITE HLLS
it seems possible that Martha who was a witness at Mary's wedding may be her sister, so you may wish to purchase the certificate for Martha which should give the date and place of marriage of parents. You probably know that images of Victorian registers can be downloaded immediately fpr $20
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
Sue also found some other births which may be siblings for Mary.
1856/2866 BURNE Thomas, Parents William and Bridget BURNE, Back Creek
1873/3057 BURNS, Edward, Parents William and Bridget BURNS, Huntly
These three births are in/around Bendigo, Victoria. Mary lists her birth as "Reedy Creek, Victoria" and yes there is a Reedy Creek in central Victoria, near Broadford - however there is a Reedy Creek which is a suburb of Bendigo. IF these births are related then I suspect that Mary's birth may have been the Reedy Creek near Bendigo.
From: https://localstats.com.au/demographics/vic/northern-victoria/bendigo/reedy-creek
Reedy Creek (3658) is a suburb of Northern Victoria, Bendigo, Victoria. It is about 63 kms from VIC's capital city of Melbourne. Reedy Creek is in the federal electorate of McEwen.
Plenty of Reedy Creeks in Victoria - others near Chiltern (Reedy Creek, Chiltern-Mt Pilot National Park), near Eldorado, near Lorne.
Judith
JM
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I had hoped some death notices for Mary Bradley in 1957 would show some hints as to her family . Ryerson index does not show a death notice ,even tho the librarian at our library,said it was on page 40 on the 5th December 1957 in The West Australian
Maybe someone else can have more luck ,please 'TIA AG
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After all the information I have , it appears the parents of Mary Burns are William Burns & Bridget Byrne not Healey as shown on marraige entry, Why this has happened I have no idea.
The friend I am helping sent for the Birth certificate for Martha Burns back in November & hasn't heard a whisper since then . We know with Covid Xmas etc they are busy ,but......
So now we will concentrate on a birth entry for Mary Burn born 1866 in the Huntly area.Hope someone is able to help
Many Thanks
AG
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After all the information I have , it appears the parents of Mary Burns are William Burns & Bridget Byrne not Healey as shown on marraige entry, Why this has happened I have no idea.
The friend I am helping sent for the Birth certificate for Martha Burns back in November & hasn't heard a whisper since then . We know with Covid Xmas etc they are busy ,but......
So now we will concentrate on a birth entry for Mary Burn born 1866 in the Huntly area.Hope someone is able to help
Many Thanks
AG
Something is amiss. Where did your friend send for that birth certificate? Usually you can use your plastic card and immediately download image if ordering Vic BDM historic records.
JM.
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Further to the birth entry for Martha, my friend is still waiting .........
is it still possible to order a birth entry online ?
Still looking for a birth entry for Mary in either Reedy creek as per marraige certificate or Huntly as per death certificate . Parents are William Burns & Bridget Byrne.
So many inconsistancys, on marraige certif. it shows Mary's mother Bridget Healey. but we know for sure it is Byrne.
Any help appreciated
AG ???
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Further to the birth entry for Martha, my friend is still waiting .........
is it still possible to order a birth entry online ?
Scroll to the lower part of this page to see how to order and download.
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
As you can see, there are 2 ways of obtaining the certificate. For your purposes the pdf download is adequate.
You did not make it clear whether this order your friend made was paying for an instant download or requesting, at a higher cost, a paper copy.
If she ordered via download, she should check her junk mail email box for the link to open and save the record. Sometimes the link does end up there.
Sue
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Is it possible for me to apply for a birth certificate for Mary ,on behalf of my friend? Finding it very difficult to follow this Vic.BDM web site
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Yes.
Any member of the general public can purchase images of historic Vic BDM records. You just need a valid plastic card and follow the instructions.
JM