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If anyone has access to Rudby parish records I would be very grateful for the following:-
Marriage. John Milburn to Ann Hawkins 1823
I am hoping John is listed as widower and this is his second marriage.
I am also looking for a John Milburn born c.1814 in this area and hope he is the son of John's first marriage. Too many Milburns!!
Thank you
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Welcome to rootschat
There is no mention of his marital status when he marries in 1823, it just states he is of Ingleby Greenhow
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Thanks for that. May have to leave it at this generation.
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Dont give up yet!
Your John 1814, where/when/who did he marry?.
If alive in 1851 Census where was he born?
Trish :)
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Hi
I don't give up easily! Have spent a long time tying to find him.
John Milburn married Elizabeth Proud 1842 in Yarm. He was 28 and she was 29. His father's name was John Milburn. I have the certificate. In 1851 he was living with Elizabeth and children James & Margaret in Thisteflatt, North Bedburn. He says he was born in Cratheron - I suspect Crathorne. I cannot find his baptism there or in surrounding villages. There are various Milburn families around the area but none with a son John born about those dates. I haven't found him on later census. The only death that I think may be his is a John who died 1852 in South Shields registration district.
I have searched high & low for him with different spellings but with no luck.
Thanks Wilma
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Is this the death registration you mean :-\
MILBURN, JOHN age 32
1852 March Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS UNION Volume 10A Page 227
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MILBURN, JAMES mmn PROUD
1843 Sept Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 231
MILLBURN, MARGARET mmn PROUD
1845 Sept Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 241
Is this another daughter
MILBURN, MARY ANN mmn PROUD
1851 Sept Quarter in AUCKLAND UNION Volume 24 Page 26
I was hoping that more children would help locate them in 1861 ::)
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The death I have came from England select deaths and burials.
19.1.1852 St Hildas South Shields. John Milburn age 38. It would seem to be the same one but different ages.
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I have just found another entry. It didn't come up when I searched before on Ancestry - I am sure I would have seen it.
Civil registration
John Milburn June qtr 1852 Stockton 10a 41
This location is much more likely.
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If you check on the GRO index you will see that the John MILBURN who died in Stockton 1852 was age 75.
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The death I have came from England select deaths and burials.
19.1.1852 St Hildas South Shields. John Milburn age 38. It would seem to be the same one but different ages.
Transcript via OCR text
North & South Shields Gazette , 23 January 1852
SUDDEN DEATH.—A case of sudden death took place (in) South Shields, on Saturday. John Milburn, butcher, who had come out of Newcastle Infirmary a day or two previously, dropped down in a fit in the Market Place, (in) the forenoon. He was taken to the workhouse by the police, and died during the afternoon
Newcastle Guardian, 24 January
At South Shields(?)
—On the 17th inst., aged 38, Mr John Milburn.
Check originals!
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What was Johns Fathers Occp from the M/C?
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M/C states John's father was a Labourer. In 1851 John himself was a Coke burners lab & beerhouse keeper
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Thats not much help a labourer is it? ::)
Some of our ancestors are very annoying!
Can you tell us the witnesses names to the marriage please?
Trish :)
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Does not help much but Durham County Advertiser of 18 July 1851 has an advert for the letting of THE BEER-HOUSE situate at Thistle Flatt, near Crook, lately occupied by John MILBURN.
Apply to the Durham Brewery Company.
Update on that death in 1852 in Stockton District - To confirm the age there is a burial at Sedgefield 7 Apr 1852 of a John MILBURN age 75.
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Witnesses at marriage:-
John Ridley Sanderson Catherine Proud Priscilla Sherwood James Mellonby (x)
I did a quick check on these. Priscilla Sherwood lived in Yarm in 1841 where marriage took pace.
Catherine Proud born c.1822 lived in Yarm also. She was a spinster who died 1891 and buried in Yarm. In her Will left £210 to a Thomas Newton. Maybe Elizabeth's sister? All census say she was born in Crathorne like John Milburn
John Ridley Sanderson married 1844 Darlington, Durham. In 1834 according to Poll books was living at Low Foxton Farm, Crathorne
James Mellonby born Rudby an ag. lab. married to Elizabeth Thompson
Crathorne definitely seems to be a connection.
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Thank you for that info glendye1789.
You have obviously been very thorough with your research :)
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According to GENUKI the baptisms of Crathorne go way back but the earliest MILBURN I have found is 1830. The baptism images on FindMyPast show some PROUD baptisms but not quite back to when Elizabeth was born and it does not show the Catherine who was witness at the wedding.
Baptisms in Crathorne on FindMyPast for surnames PROUD and MILBURN.
First entry -
29 January 1813 Eliza daur of Richard & Jane HUMBLE of Crathorne, Farmer.
21 June 1813 Hannah daur of James and Margaret PROUD of Crathorne, Blacksmith
26 November 1815 Catherine daur of James and Margaret PROUD of Crathorne, Blacksmith
22 June 1817 Christopher son of James & Margaret PROUD of Crathorne, Blacksmith
first MILBURN entry -
17 January 1830 Mary (born 15 Jan’y) daur of John and Ann MILBURN of Crathorne, Hind.
21 May 1832 Jane (born 19th May) Jane daur of John & Ann MILBURN of Crathorne, Hind.
2 Jan’y 1836 Henry (born Dec 29) son of John & Ann MILBURN of Crathorne, Hind.
Stopped looking after 1845
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I think these children belong to John Milburn who married Ann Hawkins 1823 in Rudby. In 1841 they are living in Rudby. In 1851 Crathorne all three children are working in various households the 2 girls as servants and Henry as ag.lab. (Also on this census is an Ann Milburn aged 18, servant also born in Crathorne.)
If the parents are the correct ones I feel there should be more children before Mary. Of course a John still wouldn't fit in to the time scale!
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Have now found John born 1825 to John & Ann in Rudby and Martha 1827 in Rudby. So I can discount this John.
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Looking at the 1842 marriage cert. on FindMyPast I see that the groom’s name is written as MILBURNE not MILBURN. Probably not significant as the groom (and bride) did not sign so may have been illiterate.
I also see that the brides residence is given as Yarm and her father is a blacksmith called James PROUD - as in the earlier reported PROUD baptisms at Crathorne. The grooms residence is given as Bishopton, Co. Durham.
So - is it possible that the 1851 census has it wrong. It was the wife who was born in Crathorne and the husband John MILBURN was born in Bishopton in Co. Durham?
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So - is it possible that the 1851 census has it wrong. It was the wife who was born in Crathorne and the husband John MILBURN was born in Bishopton in Co. Durham?
Good thinking, Bryan.
Certainly interesting.
John Milburn married Ann Hall, 21 May 1810, at Bishopton
Very kindly, the whole marriage entry is copied out on the BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G967-PLC
Baptism at Bishopton, 2 March 1812
Ann, daughter and first child of John and Ann Milburn of Little Stainton
Born 23 Feb
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L967-PBG
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Baptism at Bishopton, 2 March 1812
Ann, daughter and first child of John and Ann Milburn of Little Stainton
Born 23 Feb
Marriage at Sedgefield, 22 Nov 1834
John Ayre junior and Ann Milburn
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DY7D-NF?i=320&cc=1309819
1841, Sedgefield
piece 316 book 7 folio 7 page 9 (folio 8 on ancestry)
John Milburn 55 Ag Lab
Ann Milburn 55
John Ayre 4
Ann Ayre 3
Robert Ayre 18
All born county
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBW-PKF
Meanwhile, back on page 1 in same ED
John Ayre 28 Joiner
Ann Ayre 29
Jane Ayre 2
William Ayre 8 months
All born county
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBW-GWK
Will this lead anywhere? :-\
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Lets look at William
AYRE, WILLIAM
Mother's Maiden Surname: MILBURN
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 219
Baptized 7 October 1840 at Sedgefield
Parents John and Ann Ayre
father a Cartwright
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DY7X-1M?i=376
1851, Sedgefield
piece 2384 folio 625 page 7
John Milburn Head 75 Ag Lab Pauper, born Durham Little Stainton
Ann Milburn Wife 74 Ditto born Northumberland Rudley Shields
William Ayre Grandson 10 Scholar Durham Sedgefield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGB6-RLM
Meanwhile, nearby
piece 2384 folio 625 page 7
John Ayre 38 Joiner Durham Sedgefield
Ann Ayre 38 Durham Little Stainton
Seven children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJG-5K3
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You want the deaths?
OK.
MILBURN, JOHN
Age at Death (in years): 75
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 41
Buried at Sedgefield, 7 April 1852
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DY7D-GP?i=472
MILBURN, ANN
Age at Death (in years): 80
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 57
Run out of Sedgefield BTs.
Based on those ages John and Ann were in their mid 30s when they married at Bishopton in 1810.
Ann was their first child, but was she their only child?
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Your last three posts look good to me jonw65. And I note that the John MILBURN who died age 75 does turn out to be relevant. It would be worth while getting the death certificate for him and his wife on the chance that his son John may have registered the death.
Possibly John MILBURN in 1841 -
1841 census, Coatham Con, Long Newton, DUR
John FARNDALE 45 Farmer N
William do 10 N
Mary do 9 N
Jerisa do 8 N
John do 5 N
Charles do 3 N
John FARNDALE 15 M.S. N
Matthew do 12 do N
John MALLBURN 25 do Y
Thos ?LIRT 15 do N
Mary DIXON 24 Housekeeper N
Margaret JANSON 20 F.S. Yes
These two deaths do NOT seem to fit -
Death q4 1857 John MILBURN age 54 Stockton 10a 63 - so born abt 1803.
Death q5 1865 John MILBURN age 19 Stockton 10a 21, so born about 1846.
Bryan
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I had a look for the birth of Elizabeth PROUD - then worked back through the register until the Marriage of her parents. Seems that Crathorne was a busy place back then with local people often marrying people from a ways off. On two occasions a spouse was from Lythe which is over on the coast.
Crathorne Register on FindMyPast -
Banns of marriage between James PROUD of the Parish of Crathorne, & Margaret GARBUT of the Parish of Yarm, were published in the Church of Crathorne, April the 23rd & 30th & May the 7th 1797 by me Ralph GRENSIDE, Rector.
Baptism 1799 William Son of James PROUD, Blacksmith, & Margaret his Wife, born Thursday Feb 28, baptised March the 1st.
Baptism 1800 Mary Daughter of James PROUD, Blacksmith, & Margaret his Wife, born Friday September the 8th, baptised the 7th.
Baptism 1802 Cornelius, Son of James PROUD, Blacksmith, & Margaret his Wife, was born on Monday, July the 26th & baptised the 27th.
Baptism 1805 Margaret, Daughter of James PROUD, Blacksmith, & Margaret his Wife, was born & baptised on Sunday, December the 29th.
Baptism 1807 James, Son of James PROUD, Blacksmith, & Margaret, his Wife, was born Monday August 31 & baptised September 1.
Baptism 1809 Isaac Son of James PROUD, Blacksmith, & Margaret his Wife, was born & baptised on Sunday, March 12.
Baptism 1810 Elizabeth Daughter of James PROUD, Blacksmith & Margaret his Wife was born on Wednesday , October 31 & baptised Nov’r. 4
PS - Marriage Yarm 12 May 1797, James PROUD & Margaret GRAHAM. (Is this transcript wrong?)
Checked the image of the Banns at Yarm -
Banns of Marriage between James PROUD & Margaret GARBUTT were published April 23 & 30 & May 7th 1907 by me Geo HEWER Curate pro tempore
James PROUD of the Parish of Crathorne in the County of York and Margaret GARBUTT of the Parish of Yarm in the County and diocese of York were married in this Church by Banns this thirteenth Day of May 1797 by me Geo HEWER Curate. James Marked Margaret signed. Witnesses - illegible, William illegible
PPS - Burial at Crathorne All Saints - James PROUD, Blacksmith age 48, 25 Apr 1817.
Burial at Crathorne All Saints - Margaret PROUD age 66, Died 19 June 1839, Buried 22 June 1839.