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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Tickettyboo on Sunday 20 September 20 23:02 BST (UK)
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This (amongst others) has not long dropped into my inbox from the other side of the Atlantic.
Despite the fact that I was just about to go to bed, I am SO excited that this could be a family I have been trying to get photos of for years, I am posting it now :-)
I know I had a lot of help with a photo recently but if anyone could
a) give me a rough idea of dates to help confirm its the right family as there is a slight niggle of doubt
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b) clean it up if its possible
I would be very, very grateful. (Be aware that there may be more help requested, so if I am pushing my luck with your kindness I will honestly understand)
thank you
Boo
(who really does need to go to sleep, so bear with me if anyone replies and I don't respond as quickly as I should)
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It's a lovely photo, I have given it a clean and I'm sure somebody will be along to date it soon. Don't worry about how many photos you post the more the merrier as far as the restorers are concerned,
Pat
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A lovely photo, Boo :)
By the look of those sleeves, I'd say it was circa 1895-97.
Gadget
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It's a lovely photo, I have given it a clean and I'm sure somebody will be along to date it soon. Don't worry about how many photos you post the more the merrier as far as the restorers are concerned,
Pat
Thanks Trishanne. That is a vast improvement and very much appreciated.
I am still in awe of the skills in here - I do try myself but the results would be marked 'really could do better'
:-)
Boo
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A lovely photo, Boo :)
By the look of those sleeves, I'd say it was circa 1895-97.
Gadget
Oh Gadget! Thank you ! I did have a ball park figure of mid-late 1890s (going on birthdates of the children of the family I think it is)
This family had nine children, in various places from Shetland, Leith, Consett in Durham and Gateshead on the banks of the Tyne. Of those 9 the four in the picture were the only ones who survived to adulthood.
I hope you don't mind ( I believe you, really I do) but I'll wait a while in case anyone has a different opinion (hope not, but I'd rather know if they do). At that stage I can name and date them all in case it helps others at a later date.
Boo
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I don't mind at all, Boo, but I think they'll give similar dates.
Here's some pics that will show you the type of sleeves that were in fashion at that time:
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/history/date/a1895.htm
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/history/date/a1896.htm
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/history/date/a1898.htm
Gadget
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It's a lovely photo, I have given it a clean and I'm sure somebody will be along to date it soon. Don't worry about how many photos you post the more the merrier as far as the restorers are concerned,
Pat
I am not complaining, just wondering, when I zoom in on the original, it looks like the boy at the back was wearing spectacles, did you remove them or am I mistaken and what I thought were spectacles was actually dirt/marks on the photo?
Boo
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Re the specs. I've just downloaded and he is wearing specs - those nearly rimless ones that I still wear at times ;D
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Agree with Gadget, mid-late 1890's for sure.
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Agree with Gadget, mid-late 1890's for sure.
Thank you jim1, you and Gadget are now in joint position at the top of my list of this week's favourite people :-)
Boo
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Re the specs. I've just downloaded and he is wearing specs - those nearly rimless ones that I still wear at times ;D
Thanks, I really don't mind that Trishanne removed them, perhaps it was a technical decision to be able to clean it and its perfectly acceptable here.
At least I know I wasn't imagining things :-)
Boo
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It might be possible to tweak it a bit.
The mother is wearing the latest style which signalled the end of the Gigot era
& would put this at the upper end of the dates.
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It might be possible to tweak it a bit.
The mother is wearing the latest style which signalled the end of the Gigot era
& would put this at the upper end of the dates.
Thank you again jim1.
It all fits with what I know about this family.
For reference:
Back John George Henry (1875-1949)
Middle left: James Arthur Henry (1881-1957), right: George Lyal Henry (1840-1924),
Front left: Margaret Henry (1873-1981),EDIT (1883-1981) sorry!, middle: Albert Henry (1885-1976), right: Joann Henry (c1848-1935)
Boo (doing the little happy dance!)
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I'm just doing a restore, Boo. Here's a screen grab of the son with specs. It's going to take me a while as I want to take advantage of the weather that we're having up here. I'll try and get it done today-tomorrow.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget, there's never any rush whatsoever, its really kind of people to do this amazing stuff and I really appreciate the help.
I do have a (not brilliant) later photo of this one which shows him wearing specs a good few years later. It does look (to me at least) like the same person, just older.
Boo
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http://www.gatesheadhistory.com/george-frank-photographer-gateshead.html
The Photographer. With mention of his sons.
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I too was puzzled about the specs. I thought at first someone had drawn them in ???
but they don't look right which may be the reflection on the frames. Anyway I've left them in although you can't really see them until you enlarge the pic.
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and a TinT
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Just popped in to wonder about the black mark on the left side. I first of all thought it was a tear - but I'm now wondering if it's an aspidistra leaf (or other pot plant) as there are similar, smaller leaf-like marks around it.
Gadget
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Ticketyboo, there was a very technical reason why I did not add the glasses to my original restore - I didn't see them. How I missed them I do not know, because restoring photos does entail close scrutiny of all sections. I have added some glasses now, but they are not quite the same as those in the original photo. I have also done a colour version for you.
Pat
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Gadget I did wonder about that mark, it definitely looks like a leaf, but I decided to eliminate it as it was on it's own. If there had been a few others I would have added it, but I thought it looked odd/
Pat
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" it definitely looks like a leaf,"
Whatever it is, it's a distraction so I got shut ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
On this pic , is that a shadow of his glasses on his right cheek? Do I remove it and destroy
historical evidence, will I run out of Cornish Pasties before the next delivery, ??? ??? ???
These vital questions, and many more, may or may not be answered :o :o :o
Now back to mi' masts, spars and rigging :D :D :D :D
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Pic. 2 1908-12 but you probably knew that already.
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http://www.gatesheadhistory.com/george-frank-photographer-gateshead.html
The Photographer. With mention of his sons.
Thanks barryd, I was about to look at photographers but you saved me a job :-)
Boo
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I too was puzzled about the specs. I thought at first someone had drawn them in ???
but they don't look right which may be the reflection on the frames. Anyway I've left them in although you can't really see them until you enlarge the pic.
That is another super version tomkin!
Thank you so much - the person who sent the photo is going to be amazed at what can be done if you have oodles of skill, experience and above all patience! I can't wait to send these to her.
Boo
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and a TinT
thanks again tomkin :-)
Once again I am intrigued at the different versions that people produce.
All the same photo to start with but very subtle differences that you individually bring, from a tired, dirty photo between you all you produce an entire album.
No one result is better than another, just a slightly different interpretation. I am really grateful.
Boo
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Ticketyboo, there was a very technical reason why I did not add the glasses to my original restore - I didn't see them. How I missed them I do not know, because restoring photos does entail close scrutiny of all sections. I have added some glasses now, but they are not quite the same as those in the original photo. I have also done a colour version for you.
Pat
While I don't know much about the intricacies of photo restoration, I am, in general, 'very' familiar with this type of 'technical reason' :-)
I had spent a lot of time just looking at the photo that I posted, when I looked at your restore I quite rightly loved it but had the oddest feeling that I was missing something - took me a while to realise that it was the specs!
Thanks very much Trishanne, its lovely and the colour one is yet another delight.
Boo
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Just popped in to wonder about the black mark on the left side. I first of all thought it was a tear - but I'm now wondering if it's an aspidistra leaf (or other pot plant) as there are similar, smaller leaf-like marks around it.
Gadget
I thought it was a mark too, though aspidistras were very popular at that time. Heaven only knows why!
Boo
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" it definitely looks like a leaf,"
Whatever it is, it's a distraction so I got shut ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
On this pic , is that a shadow of his glasses on his right cheek? Do I remove it and destroy
historical evidence, will I run out of Cornish Pasties before the next delivery, ??? ??? ???
These vital questions, and many more, may or may not be answered :o :o :o
Now back to mi' masts, spars and rigging :D :D :D :D
You be careful up that rigging! Its a long way down :-)
Thanks for giving John George a wash and brush up, a huge improvement and though its greatly appreciated I only posted it to see if anyone popped up and told me he doesn't look a bit like the boy in the first photo ! I am never sure if I am seeing a real resemblance or just wishing for one. Though in this case I really do think its the same person.
Boo
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Pic. 2 1908-12 but you probably knew that already.
Thank you jim 1, hand in the air, guessing people's ages in on the long list of skills I don't have :-) I could see he was a good few years older and guessed about ten years but could easily have been wrong. Good to get this confirmed, thanks again.
Boo
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Just want to say thank you to everyone who has taken the time to help today with both dating the photo and the lovely range of restores (I'll keep my open for any more that may appear, I know of at least one which I look forward to)
In the meantime, if I could request that Gadget and jim1 could shuffle up a bit because they need to make room at the top of my list of this week's favourite people for all the others who have helped and expended time and effort on my behalf. Its a virtual list, so you can snuggle up, no social distancing required.
Boo
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I don't mind squashing up, Boo, but can you keep an eye on that Tomkin, please. He's spilt John Smiths all over my painting ::)
I've not finished your Henrys yet but thought I'd put up a small version so that you can se that `i've not been shirking - I had to cook mr G's supper ;D
Promise that I'll finish it tomorow
Gadget
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I don't mind squashing up, Boo, but can you keep an eye on that Tomkin, please. He's spilt John Smiths all over my painting ::)
I've not finished your Henrys yet but thought I'd put up a small version so that you can se that `i've not been shirking - I had to cook mr G's supper ;D
Promise that I'll finish it tomorow
Gadget
1 that is lovely, thank you Gadget, looking forward to the 'finished' version -though struggling to see what else you possibly could do to improve that.
2 Sorry, I already have two 'children' in their 40s who STILL insist on shouting 'tell her, Mum' every now and then, so I no longer take part in resolving squabbles, just shove up and sit next to jim1 who seems a sensible sort of lad
3 Tomkin if you can produce work as good as I have seen whilst being in a state where, up the rigging, you are 'spilling beer' (which is a concept I am unfamiliar with) please go on the wagon before I post my next plea for help as I am sure that, in a sober state, you can get the sitters to talk to me :-)
Boo
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Back to Frank the Photographer the photograph taken by him of the ship the Mauritania built on the Tyne then leaving the Tyne on completion was taken in 1907. If that helps with your dates. I read the history of the Mauritania. On its way to the scrapyard in Scotland it paid a final visit to the Tyne for about one hour. Very sentimental.
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" Tomkin if you can produce work as good as I have seen whilst being in a state where, up the rigging, you are 'spilling beer' (which is a concept I am unfamiliar with) please go on the wagon before I post my next plea for help as I am sure that, in a sober state, you can get the sitters to talk to me :-) "
That's how you can tell Gadget is fibbing ::) ::) ::) The statement that I have spilt beer
has got my mates rolling around the floor in hysterics. Don't bother putting me on a list,
I'm not interested, just send me a case of JS's and a load of sausage rolls/cornish pasties. :D :D
and I'm anybody's ;D ;D Got to go, Chimney sweep has just arrived.
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One from me
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Chimney swept :D :D :D Back to mi' deadeyes and blocks. Large, hot Cornish Pasty staring
at me, begging to be eaten :D :D :D Might have a shave afterwards :o :o
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I thought you had the sweep in last week, tomkin!
I've done two - a small one so that you can see the whole image
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Got the files mixed up for a moment!
and a large one...
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" I thought you had the sweep in last week, tomkin!"
No! I had the sweep in, 8th September for the front fireplace. Today he did the
fireplace in the back room :P :P :P :P The front fire place is a Rayburn room heater
that burns Anthracite, the back fireplace is an open fire which is a Dunsley SuperFlue.
This fireplace is rarely used but the bl**dy Jackdaws keep dropping loads of sticks down
the chimney to build nests. If I burn a bit of paper the room rapidly fills with smoke,
setting off mi' smoke alarm. The Rayburn runs mi' central heating :D :D :D :D
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Somebody explain to me, in simple terms, why we do large ones?
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One from me
Thank you bluedooo ! That's another example of great painstaking work and much appreciated :-)
Boo
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Chimney swept :D :D :D Back to mi' deadeyes and blocks. Large, hot Cornish Pasty staring
at me, begging to be eaten :D :D :D Might have a shave afterwards :o :o
Thanks again tomkin. I can't even begin to imagine how long these take and really appreciate it.
Out of interest, did John George mention where he was when the 1901 census was taken? :-)
Boo
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My try. :)
Peter
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I thought you had the sweep in last week, tomkin!
I've done two - a small one so that you can see the whole image
Thank you very much Gadget, they are really, really good. I love the way they seem more real when the photos are cleaned up.
Boo
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Somebody explain to me, in simple terms, why we do large ones?
My Granda used to tell me that 'size matters' - otherwise your wallpaper may not stick.
Unsure if this applies to photo restoration, but it may do.
Boo
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Back to Frank the Photographer the photograph taken by him of the ship the Mauritania built on the Tyne then leaving the Tyne on completion was taken in 1907. If that helps with your dates. I read the history of the Mauritania. On its way to the scrapyard in Scotland it paid a final visit to the Tyne for about one hour. Very sentimental.
Thanks barryd, how long he was still in business may help with other dates.
Boo
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My try. :)
Peter
Thank you Peter, much appreciated - another lovely example of great work.
Boo
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" John George mention where he was when the 1901 census was taken? :-) "
Yes! He was in the Red Lion with me :D :D :D Still owes for a pint >:(