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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: kjmck on Sunday 20 September 20 23:33 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I'm having an issue locating a few birthplaces in Ireland I have come across from an 1851 census from Scotland.
Matthew Gillies, 67 (born 1784), at Balahchantie, Ireland.
Catherine M Alister, Wife, 48 (born 1803), at Moy Antrim.
Effy Gillies, Daughter, 24 (born 1827), at Kilmora, Ireland.
James Gillies, Son, 16 (born 1835, at Amory Anoin.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Keelan
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Can you link to the actual page?
Or give the address in Scotland, so we can find it ourselves?
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Moy sits on the border of Co. Tyrone and Co. Armagh, and is not in Antrim. I would be interested in seeing the original image if you have it.
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Keelan
Have you looked at the census image on Scotlands People or is this information from a transcription?
Scotlands People (pay site) is the only online site that has the images.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Gadget
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1871 Census confirms Catherine's birthplace as County Antrim.
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1871 Census confirms Catherine's birthplace as County Antrim.
Is that from an image or a transcription?
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A transcription, but likely that is pretty clear.
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transcriptions can be useful but they should not be relied on. The image is the only way to be sure.
Here's the image of P of B from the 1851
Gadget
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Thanks for the image. Mother's says Moy, Antrim. Second child says Amoy, Antrim I believe. There is an Armoy in County Antrim.
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There are McAllisters in Armoy in Griffiths (1861-62). After this group left, but could be relatives.
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Civil Parish of Armoy, Co. Antrim south of Ballycastle.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/armoy/
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The geographic context may be important, for these folk were living in Campbeltown, and the history of to-ings and fro-ings between there (and the Kintyre peninsula more generally on the one side) and the northeast of County Antrim on the other side - particularly between Ballycastle and Waterfoot - is a very long one.
Edited to add: Just a flavour below about the historical association between the Glens of Antrim and Kintyre, I imagine there is lots more:
https://antrimhistory.net/ferry-me-across-the-water/
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Total speculation here (ie. no corroborating evidence whatsoever), but could the first location (with 'Ireland' written above it) be a written interpretation of someone saying Ballynahaville?
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-lower/layd/ballynahaville/
Could the third location be Kilmore Ireland?
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-lower/layd/kilmore/
Edited to add:
I'm pretty confident that 'Effy' was Euphemia. Reason being, there was the following death record in Campbeltown in October 1861: Matthew Gillies, a labourer, married to Catherine McAlister, parents Archibald Gillies a mason and Euphemia Gillies (M.S. Gillies), both deceased, the son James Gillies was the informant.
There was also a marriage of a Euphemia Gillies to a Thomas Ryburn in Campbeltown in 1858.
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So sorry for the late reply, my days are getting busier and frustratingly I am finding less time for genealogy.
The reason I am curious about the place names, especially for that of Matthew Gillies, is because I believe he is the brother of my 4x Great Grandfather Daniel Gillies, and his birthplace may well be the same birthplace as that of Daniel.
As gaffy mentioned, the death of Matthew Gillies happened 2nd October 1861 (age 76) parents - Archibald Gillies a Mason & Euphemia Gillies. There is also, on 19th February 1871 the death of Archibald Gillies (age 84), son of Daniel Gillies a Labourer, & Euphemia Gillies MS Gillies. The informant was James Spratt of Lochend, a Nephew. Daniel Gillies grandson was a James Spratt who was residing at Lochend Street in Campbeltown in 1871, who would have been Archibald's great nephew.
Daniel died before 1855 so I don't have his parents names to corroborate unfortunately.
Daniel's wife was Isabella McEachran. She died before 1841, and as I can't find a marriage for Daniel & Isabella in Scotland, am I to assume that they married in Ireland? 4 of their daughters were registered in Campbeltown, Isabella 1823, Elizabeth 1825, Catherine 1828, & Jean 1831.
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Just want to say a thank you for all of your responses so far, and to Gadget for the image, and for the links!
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Total speculation here (ie. no corroborating evidence whatsoever), but could the first location (with 'Ireland' written above it) be a written interpretation of someone saying Ballynahaville?
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-lower/layd/ballynahaville/
I can definitely read it as Ballynahaville
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Third location looks like Kilmoris to me.
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Armoy civil parish is a bit south of Ballycastle-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/armoy/
There's a Kilmore in Layd civil parish, County Antrim (along coast from Balycastle)-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-lower/layd/layd/
I'm wondering if the 1st place could be Ballykenver which is in Armoy Parish-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/armoy/ballykenver/
In nearby Ramoan parish are Moyarget Upper & Moyarget Lower-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/ramoan/moyarget-lower/
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/ramoan/moyarget-upper/
All speculation but McAllister is a VERY VERY common Northn Antrim surname.