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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Kenneal67 on Tuesday 22 September 20 13:20 BST (UK)
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I applied for a marriage certificate from Shoreditch 1872 and after 2 weeks have had an email from the GRO saying sorry they have refunded me as they cant provide the certificate and I should approach the local register office directly, has anyone encountered this before?
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I would be quite happy with that being a marriage entry, it is likely to have copies of original signatures on it coming from the register office. ;D
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I would be quite happy with that being a marriage entry, it is likely to have copies of original signatures on it coming from the register office. ;D
OK but which local register office?
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You said it was Shoreditch
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/shoreditch.html
That link says registers now with Hackney
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/RegOffice/RegOffice2#230
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Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.
Some will do it but will charge for searching their own indexes, which are different from the GRO’s.
In this case it would be advisable to ring Hackney Register Office, carefully explain the situation, and ask what they can do to help you. The contact number is on the link provided by rosie99 above.
Are you quite certain that the marriage record is not available online? If you post the details we may be able to help you check all available places.
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Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.
Some will do it but will charge for searching their own indexes, which are different from the GRO’s.
In this case it would be advisable to ring Hackney Register Office, carefully explain the situation, and ask what they can do to help you. The contact number is on the link provided by rosie99 above.
Are you quite certain that the marriage record is not available online? If you post the details we may be able to help you check all available places.
It is
Nathan Plumstead married Matilda Jones Dec quarter 1872 Shoreditch 1c 282
GRO refunded me for this and told me to go to the local office
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Image is available on Ancestry ;D
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Image is available on Ancestry ;D
AGh I have FindMyPast
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I've sent you a PM ;)
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The first marriages:
Marriages Dec qtr 1856
JONES, James
VIZER, Matilda
Bethnal Green 1c 609
Marriages Sep qtr 1857
PLUMSTEAD, Nathan
SMELLIE, Sarah Elizabeth
Bethnal Gn 1c 639
Both also on Ancestry.
You will probably find that Matilda's surname was VOIZIER/VOYZIER and most of them morphed into nonsense spellings by the mid/late 1800s. It is a #@!* surname to research.
Debra :)
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Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.
That is illegal report any that do that to the Registrar General and insist the registers are removed from the register office and the Superintendent Registrar be replaced as they are not carrying out the legally required duties.
The law requires:-
The 1953 Act for the registration of births and deaths in England and Wales
"31.-(1) Every superintendent registrar shall cause indexes of the registers of live-births and registers of deaths in his register office to be made and to be kept with the other records of that office, and the Registrar General shall supply to every superintendent registrar suitable forms for the making of such indexes.
(2) Any person shall be entitled at any time when the register office is required to be open for the transaction of public business to search the said indexes, and to have a certified copy of any entry in the said registers under the hand of the superintendent register, on payment by that person to the of the superintendent registrar of the following fees respectively, that is to say-..."
Similarly for marriage certificates:-
The Marriage Act, 1949
"65.-(I) The Registrar General shall cause indexes of all certified copies of entries in marriage register books sent to him under this Part of this Act to be made and kept in the General Register Office.
(2) Any person shall be entitled to search the said indexes between the hours of ten in the morning and four in the afternoon of every day, except Sundays, Christmas Day and Good Friday, and to have a certified copy of any entry in the said certified copies of marriage register books, on payment to the Registrar General or to such other person as may be appointed to act on his behalf of the following fee, that is to say :-"
Cheers
Guy
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Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.
That is illegal report any that do that to the Registrar General and insist the registers are removed from the register office and the Superintendent Registrar be replaced as they are not carrying out the legally required duties.
Yes, Guy, we know this, but some of us may prefer a less confrontational approach.
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Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.
That is illegal report any that do that to the Registrar General and insist the registers are removed from the register office and the Superintendent Registrar be replaced as they are not carrying out the legally required duties.
Yes, Guy, we know this, but some of us may prefer a less confrontational approach.
That is why we are getting a poor service from them because people will not stand up and be counted.
The 1911 census was made public early because someone stood up for their rights, the 1939 was released early because someone stood up for their rights.
If you do not take action then nothing will ever changed for the better.
I do not know when you started doing genealogy but until 1975 we could walk into a superintendant registrars office and search through the registers ourselves, then it was stopped without any change in the law. In a similar way we are still allowed to search the registers in the registrars office but many try to say we are not allowed to. If we do not stand up for our rights we lose them.
Cheers
Guy
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