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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: louisa maud on Saturday 26 September 20 16:15 BST (UK)
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I am not a particularly political person but what and why are there over 15,000 demonstrators doing in London today, seems to me they could not care less about the spread of covid, it us , the over a certain agers who are doing all the right things to help bring these terrible times to closer end, I have hardly socialised like most of us and a lot of us are suffering in some way but willing to do so for the others, I despair sometimes, my mother once said when she was ill and nearing the end of her life " I am glad I am on the way out and not on the way in" in some ways I am beginning to understand what she meant, sadly
Louisa Maud
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Yes it's depressing . We've not seen family since before lockdown . We shop online , walk by ourselves in the countryside , do our chores and that's about it. It just feels like we're marking time. Those demanding their freedom to do as they please don't seem to realise that they put others at risk.
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Some of them have been chanting to the police "Pick your side ". I choose the side of living. They make me so angry and I can't understand why these demonstrations are allowed at all during a pandemic.
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It may be that they have spent all week in a supermarket stacking shelves or filling online delivery crates, with customers pushing them out of the way or removing their masks to ask where the eggs are, at risk all day they find it hard to see the need for vigilance in their leisure time.
Just stay 2 metres away from others and you will be ok.
Mike
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- Just think how much they'd riot and demonstrate if they were told they could NOT demonstrate! In a rather sick way, it'd serve them all right if they came down with a nasty dose themselves - but sadly they'd all go home and infect their innocent friends and rellies.
They make me angry, too, but I suppose they have the right to demonstrate their view, or they'd see themselves as being censored or gagged, and be able to pose as victims as well, then.
After all, it is a free country, and we all have the right to make our point of view known, even if we don't agree with it.
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it us , the over a certain agers who are doing all the right things to help bring these terrible times to closer end, I have hardly socialised like most of us and a lot of us are suffering in some way but willing to do so for the others,
It's not fair to single out a particular age group, either for blame or praise. From what I see, there are people of all ages on that daft protest, and I know plenty of younger people who are following all the guidelines.
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We keep hearing " don't take it home to granny " whatever ages they are they are not being sensible, if we all abide by the suggestions hopefully we won't be in lockdown for so long, it is depressing
LM
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I am told that apparently the general public have become ok with the idea of vulnerable people dying. It seems that the economy has become more important and that the whole society cannot just be shutdown to protect a tiny proportion of the population.
It seems to be ok for us to isolate and withdraw if we so wish but not to expect the rest of society to do so. This is what we are apparently seeing now.
Pheno
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Louisa Maud,
I just saw some of the photos - lots of people over a certain age there. Their grannies would be long gone.
Two of the well known main participants/speakers are 73 yrs and 68 yrs. ::)
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Louisa Maud,
I just saw some of the photos - lots of people over a certain age there. Their grannies would be long gone.
Two of the well known main participants/speakers are 73 yrs and 68 yrs. ::)
And I can point you towards eight teenagers, all close neighbours to me, who have behaved impeccably throughout all of this.
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Jen B, I think most teenagers are, got 2 grandchidren of our own, 1 of whom is at university, she tells me they are sticking to the rules and regulations .
Think I had better shut up and go away!!!
LM
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Think I had better shut up and go away!!!
No, not at all :)
I was just trying to point out that it's not just the 'over a certain agers who are doing all the right things' :)
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We do have free speech and all that goes with that but I find it a bit concerning at the moment
LM
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Met Police are saying this demonstration is not complying with the Covid Rules laid down by UK Government for demonstrations.
https://twitter.com/MetPoliceEvents?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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The government have an awful job dealing with this virus.
Some people are failing to keep 2 metres apart in public places, getting too close to others when they don't need to.
French Radio was saying mid August 2020 that the French 2nd wave outbreak were testing Covid positive with no symptons. Some call it the Stealth virus.
Mark
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Jen B, I think most teenagers are, got 2 grandchidren of our own, 1 of whom is at university, she tells me they are sticking to the rules and regulations .
Think I had better shut up and go away!!!
LM
Not at all. I just don't think it's helpful to keep pointing the finger at specific groups (and I don't mean you.)
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It’s quite incredible that the police don’t seem to do anything.... free country to speak out and all that... some think it’s a big hoax or as I heard one interviewed say... it’s been blown out of proportion..... really?
One can only behave as we think fit to save ourselves and our families.... we have seen our family three times in 7 months ... first time outside all day ... second time daughter and grandsons to stay... they’ve isolated themselves daughters not set foot in a shop since March.... third visit just overnight... they use their own bathroom and separate downstairs loo and outside all day to eat as well... I feel we’ve all behaved as we should .... life has to have some normality within the guidelines we’ve been given...
I do feel for all these youngsters now at uni.... why didn’t the powers that be just do online learning for the first term or two if necessary then all this situation wouldn't have occurred... all locked up ...
Sorry I digress from topic title...
Caroline
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The demonstration was led by David Icke which tells you all you need to know really.
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The demonstration was led by David Icke which tells you all you need to know really.
Ahhh.............say no more :-X ::)
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I think, if they are being totally honest, most people 'of a certain age' ( and I'm one) are 'doing the right thing' primarily in order to stay healthy themselves. Helping others is a by product but the basic human instinct is to survive.
I find protestations that anyone is doing it for altruistic reasons rather smug and self righteous.
I also think there's something to be said for the approach that Pheno has misinterpreted. It is becoming clear that there is no way to protect people AND protect the economy. Therefore, the way out seems to me to let most healthy people of ages which are little affected by the virus to be able to get on with their lives and keep their jobs and allow those of us who feel the need to protect ourselves by isolating when necessary. It doesn't mean that 'the general public have become okay with the idea of vulnerable people dying' - that would be a terrible slur on humanity - nor does it mean that 'the economy is more important' but I'm afraid in our society , the economy is important and if we don't do something, more people are going to lose their jobs and their homes. That will inevitably result in more crime.
Personally, as I'm sure most of you know by now, I think the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion and has been handled appallingly by the government. They have succeeded in scaring the bejesus out of the population so that we've become a nation of cowering wrecks. Having successfully achieved that objective, they then changed tack and tried to get everyone back to work, only to change again and now they're trying (and obviously succeeding) to terrify us all over again.
Most of us on here don't have to worry about our jobs because we're retired. We can mostly afford to self isolate if we want to or feel the need to. Hopefully, it won't be for too much longer but it is in our own interests as well to get things (as far as possible) back to near normal.
Its frightening the way some students are locked in as virtual prisons in their halls of residence. They even have 24 hour guards to stop them going out - even for food. This is getting beyond a joke. It is harming our society just as much as the virus - if not more.
I sincerely hope that the revolting Tories win next week's vote against extending Boris's ability to introduce draconian measures without consulting Parliament. He should have to justify them and should be called to account for each measure. That's if he condescends to turn up to Parliament, of course.
Even the Chancellor said it - don't live your lives in fear.
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the revolting Tories
One phrase that makes sense anyway.
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People do act through altruistic motives, whatever you think.
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I despair at the stupidity of sections of society.
I did not see any people in scrubs in the demo.
Those demonstrating should be identified and fined.
The softly softly approach just does not work with some people so it s time to get tough with them.
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I also think there's something to be said for the approach that Pheno has misinterpreted.
I didn't misinterpret - it is what I was told! Can't honestly say I disagree with it either as I don't want the world to stop and I want my descendants to be free of this virus and live relatively normally so although I will attempt to protect myself, and inevitably others, so be it if I become a statistic.
Pheno
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The demonstration was led by David Icke which tells you all you need to know really.
Quite...!! How anyone can take him seriously is beyond me...
Romilly.
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+ residents of some care homes. Some relatives are "liberating" their relatives, bringing them home for the short time they have left.
Edit. Don't know what happened there re quotes. Sorry.
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I think, if they are being totally honest, most people 'of a certain age' ( and I'm one) are 'doing the right thing' primarily in order to stay healthy themselves. Helping others is a by product but the basic human instinct is to survive.
I find protestations that anyone is doing it for altruistic reasons rather smug and self righteous.
I totally agree with Jillruss on this. I think everyone was fine when they said we had to protect ourselves and protect the NHS. Now we have to protect everyone and it is impossible to achieve. I object to being told that if I cough, someone's granny is going to die. That has probably always been the case. I am very happy to protect myself and my OH. There is nobody else I need to protect. If we choose to isolate, that is our choice. If we choose to take risks, that is also our choice although we are very careful wherever we go. People need to get on with their lives without this fear that is hanging over us.
Rishile
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+ residents of some care homes. Some relatives are "liberating" their relatives, bringing them home for the short time they have left.
Edit. Don't know what happened there re quotes. Sorry.
Yes, I agree. I should have mentioned care homes. Our lovely, caring government swore to put a protecting arm around them - they've done nothing. I read in today's paper that they're actually paying care homes over the odds to take in elderly patients with covid. I don't know if this is right but I doubt a paper would have printed it without some verification.
Sorry, but I no longer believe a word these people utter, especially Boris with his faux Churchillian blather. I can't decide whether he's out of his depth, not interested, just plain stupid - or all three.
Another couple of comments:
Has anyone else noticed that all the current lockdown areas appear to be in the North or Wales? Has the virus decamped from southern England in a similar way as it's supposedly not at large after 10pm? I know the North and Wales have big cities and conurbations but the South have big cities as well. Does Mr Cummings need 48 hours notice before London is locked down so that he (and his spectacles) can beat a hasty retreat to Durham?
Has anyone seen the Scottish advert aimed at frightening us even more than we already have been? My paper calls it a video nasty - young girl goes out with her friends, comes back to see her grandfather and makes him a cup of tea. Apparently it shows 'gunge' being transferred from her to the teapot etc and finally to granddad. Sounds horrendous. Even worse than 'don't kill granny'.
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I think, if they are being totally honest, most people 'of a certain age' ( and I'm one) are 'doing the right thing' primarily in order to stay healthy themselves. Helping others is a by product but the basic human instinct is to survive.
Nice comment
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Yorkshire Tea, not for me! ;D
Skoosh.
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"Has anyone else noticed that all the current lockdown areas appear to be in the North or Wales? Has the virus decamped from southern England." (jillruss.)
According to the map on the Gov.UK website, which is a few days out of date, there are a lot more infections in the northern towns than in London. I am not sure where the equivalent big cities in the south are, apart from London?
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London currently has less than 50 cases per 100k of population, whereas Newcastle has 233. That's why there's a local lockdown in Newcastle but not in London. The area I live in is near to those that are currently under local lockdown, our local leaders are hoping to avoid a lockdown here although we are currently in an area of enhanced support with a figure of 55. The demographic of the cities in the north that are under local lockdown is unlikely to be comparable to cities in the south such as Bristol, Portsmouth, Plymouth.