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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: Helina on Tuesday 29 September 20 08:25 BST (UK)
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I live in the part of England where I can still meet people up to a group of 6. A friend has asked me around for lunch (she is in my bubble) she has also asked another friend. Now as we will be eating indoors can 3 people meet up inside from 3 different houses.
Any help would be appreciated.
helina
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You can meet your bubble but that's it I think
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According to the table currently on the BBC website - Indoors - 6 people from multiple households, and Outdoors the same. Social distancing 1 metre 'plus'. Added: This is for England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729
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My understanding is in England - where there aren't local restrictions - you can meet inside or outside in groups of up to 6 people. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Kay
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Thank you for your advice it has been helpful
helina
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I live in the part of England where I can still meet people up to a group of 6. A friend has asked me around for lunch (she is in my bubble) she has also asked another friend. Now as we will be eating indoors can 3 people meet up inside from 3 different houses.
Any help would be appreciated.
helina
Not permissible in England (Amended).
Mixing of households is also banned in some areas, consult your Local Borough or Unitary Authority Public Health for local Restrictions.
Mark
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See further reply
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I live in the part of England where I can still meet people up to a group of 6. A friend has asked me around for lunch (she is in my bubble) she has also asked another friend. Now as we will be eating indoors can 3 people meet up inside from 3 different houses.
Any help would be appreciated.
helina
Hello
Your understanding of the "Support Bubble" and also three (3) households mixing looks to be unlawful according to the gov.uk defintion ...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a-support-bubble-with-another-household
Even though it will be less than six attendees.
Mark
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You and your friend have formed a support bubble. You are considered to be one household.
One household is meeting another household - your friend's friend.
Perfectly lawful as far as I read it :)
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Please don't take this as definite, but my understanding is (subject to my note at the end):
(a) a bubble can consist of people from no more than two households (see the link given by Mark in Reply #7)
(b) when people are in a bubble, they are treated as if they are one household, so they can meet with someone from another household, as Gaie says. In fact people from multiple households can meet anyway so long as there are no more than 6 of them and they maintain social distancing. See Section 2 on this page:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing#seeing-friends-and-family
Note: this is my understanding as of today, and it applies to England except for places which are subject to stricter local measures. Local measures typically ban meetings between people from different households on private property (indoors or out) and advise against meeting in pubs, restaurants etc, but the latest ones in the north-east of England ban make it illegal for different households to meet under any circumstances (other than within a bubble).
EDITED TO ADD (after Reply #10 was posted):
Some of what I wrote here might not be correct - see my Reply #11.
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Please don't take this as definite, but my understanding is (subject to my note at the end):
(a) a bubble can consist of people from no more than two households (see the link given by Mark in Reply #7)
(b) when people are in a bubble, they are treated as if they are one household, so they can meet with someone from another household, as Gaie says. In fact people from multiple households can meet anyway so long as there are no more than 6 of them and they maintain social distancing. See Section 2 on this page:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing#seeing-friends-and-family
Note: this is my understanding as of today, and it applies to England except for places which are subject to stricter local measures. Local measures typically ban meetings between people from different households on private property (indoors or out) and advise against meeting in pubs, restaurants etc, but the latest ones in the north-east of England ban make it illegal for different households to meet under any circumstances (other than within a bubble).
My word the English Law and English Guidance looks contradictory?
I think the Poster ought to ask the Local Authority Public Health by email of the area where you intend to meet as to how they'll apply this Law and get your answer by email (or in writing) from them.
Mark
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In view of news items which I've seen since I wrote Reply #9, I think I might have been wrong about some things. Does anyone know where you can get clear and definitive guidance?
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Hi arthurk
The FAQs link that Kay99 posted earlier in this thread may help.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Added: For areas under local special restrictions see here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/local-restrictions-areas-with-an-outbreak-of-coronavirus-covid-19
Gaie
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Thanks, Gaie. My question was a much as anything an expression of exasperation - given that government ministers at all levels also seem to have difficulty understanding what is permitted and where.
What I think I got wrong last time was about households mixing in the north east of England. Having read your links, it appears that they will not be allowed to meet in any indoor situation, or in a private garden; and although it's not illegal, they are advised not to meet in public outdoor places either. (This is all subject to the rule of six and social distancing.)
This is different from the restrictions in most of Greater Manchester, where households may still meet in public indoor venues, though again they are advised not to.
With different rules in different parts of the country, is it any wonder that people get confused? A family member who lives in Greater Manchester told us recently about the poor levels of compliance in their area, and that there were some people who didn't realise they lived in Greater Manchester. So how do you even begin to get people to follow the rules and advice?
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Added: For areas under local special restrictions see here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/local-restrictions-areas-with-an-outbreak-of-coronavirus-covid-19
This was last updated on 20th September so does not encompass the latest restrictions imposed here in the north-east.
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Added: For areas under local special restrictions see here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/local-restrictions-areas-with-an-outbreak-of-coronavirus-covid-19
This was last updated on 20th September so does not encompass the latest restrictions imposed here in the north-east.
But I see scrolling down the north east restrictions are listed here
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/north-east-of-england-local-restrictions
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They don't make it easy, do they?
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To go back to the original question, assuming you are still within an area of England with more severe restrictions (an ever-changing list), and reading from your question that you are going to the house of one of you, then this is OK. You can meet up indoors with up to six people from (up to six) households.
You can even have your meal at the pub, as long as your group of (up to) six does not mingle in any way with any other group of (up to) 6 that happen to be there (even if some of that group are from your household.
Obviously, if you are outside of England, or within an area with more expansive rules/lockdown, the above does not apply.
Also, this is as of now (16:30 on 30/9/20). Give it five minutes, that may have changed ;D
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Whatever you do, don't ask Boris Johnson for a ruling!! Or you'll not even be allowed to eat in the same room as the cat, by the time he's worked it out!
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Whatever you do, don't ask Boris Johnson for a ruling!! Or you'll not even be allowed to eat in the same room as the cat, by the time he's worked it out!
Larry the Downing Street Cat may appreciate being able to eat in privacy. :)
Cartoon in a newspaper today. 2 goldfish in a bowl. One says to the other "I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't remember the rules".
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I saw something similar a couple of days back. Very true.