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Title: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Gossypium on Wednesday 30 September 20 01:56 BST (UK)
Philip A Smith was born in England in Apr/Jun 1925 and lived in Rockingham, Western Australia.

I am told that he died in about 2008.

Can you help me find out when and where he was buried or cremated?
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: CassT on Wednesday 30 September 20 02:18 BST (UK)

Hi  try this site, there is a record of PHILIP ALWYNE SMITH Aged 82yrs   Date of Death   29/01/2008
of ROCKINGHAM. looks like ashes taken by undertaker.

https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FC00052050

Cass
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Gossypium on Wednesday 30 September 20 02:23 BST (UK)
Thanks, Cass, that's the fellow!  I will ask the State Library if there was a death notice or obituary.
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: cupoflife on Wednesday 30 September 20 03:39 BST (UK)
Is this possibly his marriage?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/240526833
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 30 September 20 03:54 BST (UK)
Is this possibly his marriage?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/240526833

87 1947 Smith Philip A to Bayley E M at Plantagenet

Jamjar
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Gossypium on Wednesday 30 September 20 04:00 BST (UK)
Thanks, but I think that is the marriage of a different Philip Smith because Philip Alwyne Smith was born in England in Apr/Jun 1925 and his parents were Charles Romulus Smith and Clara Smith of Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire who never emigrated to Australia.  Philip Alwyne Smith had a first marriage in 1946 in Berkhamsted which ended in divorce whilst he was working in Sarawak, Borneo.  I do not know when and where his second marriage took place or the name of his second wife.
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 30 September 20 04:07 BST (UK)
SMITH Philip Alwyne born 22 April 1925; Wendy (nee Dall) born 16 December 1926; B A born 9 May 1961; A P born 26 February 1964; travelled per AUSTRALIS departing Southampton on 20 September 1971 under the Assisted Passage Migration Scheme

Possible death of wife: https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=RC00000950

Birth of son:

Jun 1961 H.Hempstead 4b 188
SMITH B A mmn DALL

Jamjar
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: cupoflife on Wednesday 30 September 20 04:17 BST (UK)
SMITH Philip Alwyne born 22 April 1925; Wendy (nee Dall) born 16 December 1926; B A born 9 May 1961; A P born 26 February 1964; travelled per AUSTRALIS departing Southampton on 20 September 1971 under the Assisted Passage Migration Scheme

Possible death of wife: https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=RC00000950

Birth of son:

Jun 1961 H.Hempstead 4b 188
SMITH B A mmn DALL

Jamjar

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thewest-au/obituary.aspx?n=wendy-smith&pid=190659752
SMITH (Wendy): 16.12.1926 - 4.11.2018 Much loved wife to Philip (dec), much loved mum to J*********, B****, A*****.

Adding:
Funeral notice: https://www.westannouncements.com.au/browse/funeral-notices/view/smith-wendy
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 30 September 20 04:24 BST (UK)
I see only one birth and canít see a marriage:

Mar 1927 Guildford 2a 124
DALL Wendy mmn WHITE

Jamjar
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Pelican on Wednesday 30 September 20 08:10 BST (UK)
He does not appear to be on the Welcome Wall. This is probably because he did not put it on there or no one of his family did. Voluntary.

It could also mean he came by plane.

The Welcome Wall is on Fremantle Harbour and lists those who came to WA by ship. http://www.museum.wa.gov.au/welcomewalls/browse-names

Our family put us on the Welcome Wall for our 50th Wedding Anniversary.
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 30 September 20 09:15 BST (UK)
This would be the closest for a marriage of Wendy's parents.

June 1920 
White Mildred E
To Dall Colin E
2a/1636
Dartford
 
There were probable siblings for Wendy.

It looks as if she was a twin..

Just deleted the sibling information.
Quite possibly still living. ;)

Sue



 
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 30 September 20 09:24 BST (UK)
He does not appear to be on the Welcome Wall. This is probably because he did not put it on there or no one of his family did. Voluntary.

It could also mean he came by plane.

The Welcome Wall is on Fremantle Harbour and lists those who came to WA by ship. http://www.museum.wa.gov.au/welcomewalls/browse-names

Our family put us on the Welcome Wall for our 50th Wedding Anniversary.

They arrived by ship, see reply #6.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Gossypium on Wednesday 30 September 20 12:29 BST (UK)
Philip Smith married Wendy Dall in 1955-60 in Baghdad, Iraq
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 01 October 20 00:04 BST (UK)
  Philip Alwyne Smith had a first marriage in 1946 in Berkhamsted which ended in divorce whilst he was working in Sarawak, Borneo.  I do not know when and where his second marriage took place or the name of his second wife.

Philip Smith married Wendy Dall in 1955-60 in Baghdad, Iraq

Well it sounds like you have solved your mystery.

Hope the extra information found by the team here has been of interest too.

Sue
Title: Re: Philip A Smith of Rockingham, Western Australia
Post by: Gossypium on Thursday 01 October 20 00:25 BST (UK)
Ye, I very much appreciate the interest and comments of the team and, as a result, have been able to create these memorials in www.findagrave.com for Philip Smith and Wendy Dall:

Philip Alwyne Smith (1925-2008) - Find A Grave Memorial
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216179567/philip-alwyne-smith

Wendy Dall Smith (1926-2018) - Find A Grave Memorial
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216182494/wendy-smith

Memorials in www.findagrave.com can be linked as between spouses and as between an individual and his/her parents, in effect creating a family tree.  This is the only website in which I am willing to post a family tree. because it is a good discipline to locate the burials or cremations of the deceased in order to create a memorial.  A few times I have discovered that other persons buried in a grave are all related, of whom their existence I was previously unaware.  I learned about www.findagrave.com from genealogists in New York City who automatically create memorials when they have confirmed where an individual was buried.  More genealogists should do this as well.  Also in New York as in most states in the USA, Canada and Australia, the place of burial or cremation is recorded on death certificates which reduces the time spent looking for a burial or cremation.  I wish Registrars in the UK would add the place of burial or cremation in death certificates.

As for the marriage of Philip Smith and Wendy Dall in Baghdad, Iraq, I am going to look for any report of it in a Baghdad newspaper held by the British Library:

http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?ct=facet&fctN=facet_rtype&fctV=Newspapers&rfnGrp=1&rfnGrpCounter=1&frbg=&&indx=1&fn=search&dscnt=0&vl(2084770704UI0)=any&scp.scps=scope%3A(BLCONTENT)&tb=t&vid=BLVU1&mode=Basic&ct=search&srt=rank&tab=local_tab&dum=true&vl(freeText0)=Baghdad&dstmp=1601493419776

Thank you for your help.  This topic is now concluded and can be closed.