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Hi
1861 census has a William Walker born Chalgrove Beds about 1832. He is married to Elizabeth born 1834 Bicester (although in 1871 she is 40 years old giving a birth date of 1831). They have numerous children all born in Woburn. The first, Charles Edward, was baptised September 1855 to William and Jane. The rest, starting with William George baptised September 1857, are all born to William and Elizabeth Sarah. I'm trying to find out who William and Elizabeth's parents were, but am stuck for getting any further back because I can't find the marriages for these two wives. (Or is it really one wife with a mistranscription?) The 1851 census is of no use as William was away from home. Does anyone have access to parish records for the Bedfordshire area please, who could look up these two marriages for me? Many thanks.
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Looking at the GRO birth index - the maiden name of the mother for BOTH these children was HOLT. Hence - you would think it was the same mother.
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Oooh thanks! That's brilliant! Thank you very much. Is this info available online anywhere? It's certainly not there on FreeBMD which is the site I use a lot. If there's a site with more info I'd be better using that in future.
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Jacksi -- now the General Register office are showing mother's maiden names for births from 1837.
If you haven't used the site before you will need to register - but it's free to search. You can also order certificates from that site if you wish.
https://www.gov.uk/general-register-office
Once you have registered - simply go to 'Search the GRO indexes.'
It is a bit cumbersome in that you can search a particular year and plus or minus 2 years. You also have to identify the sex.
In your case I actually found the year and registration district on FreeBMD first - so that I knew which District to input - as you cannot search by County on the GRO Index.
Finding a mother's maiden name is SO useful though.
(You can also find ages at death from 1837 -- ie before the year they appear on Free BMD.)
You cannot search for marriages on that site.
I cannot find a marriage for your William Walker at the moment.
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Wow that's absolutely fantastic! I didn't know any of this! That info on there will be of great use because its very infuriating looking on freebmd sometimes isn't it? I will register now! Thanks for your help!
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Jackski - you are welcome. You can check the maiden names shown against the births of the other children out of interest.
(It is always possible that William and Elizabeth didn't actually marry - I can't find a marriage, but some super sleuth may be able to do so!)
Also just for info -- if you want a birth or death cert - you can order a PDF copy from the General Register Office -GRO -- it's £7 as opposed to £11 for ordering a paper certificate. You cannot do that for marriages though.
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hi
Elizabeth Holt & William (Willm) Walker are in the list for
1853 Jun NEWPORT PAGNELL 3a 533
NPagnell not THAT far up the road.
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Oh well done Ray. I knew there would be a Super Sleuth around!!
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Oh well done Ray. I knew there would be a Super Sleuth around!!
Yeah, but I had to modify the post, I typed 52 not 53 (NOW AMENDED) :-)
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Possible marriage in 1853 Newport Pagnell - where 2 of the 4 listed are William Walker and Elizabeth Holt. (The other pair listed - William Brinklow and Jane Kent - appear to have married each other). Unfortunately, cannot see any details of marriage online.
Elizabeth Sarah Holt bp.24/10/1830 Bicester, Oxfordshire, dau. of Thomas and Sarah.
William Walker bp.30/1/1831 Chalgrove, Bedfordshire, son of John and Mary.
Annette
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As I couldn't find the marriage - you are still a super sleuth to me!! (And an honest one!)
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Jackski -- if you are looking for the marriage which has been found to Elizabeth Holt on the Civil Registration Index - you need to be aware that William is shown as Willm.
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Wow!!!!!!! Absolutely fantastic work, all of you! You have filled in so many blanks for me there. I'm extremely grateful. Many many thanks!
(As for Willm - it makes you wonder if they wrote this stuff at the time, just to confuse future researchers!!) ;D
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William Walker bp.30/1/1831 Chalgrove, Bedfordshire, son of John and Mary.
Morning , as per the Beds Surnames Index from BFHS, the parents abode was Toddington at the time of the baptism. Possibly they were John Walker who married Mary Willis at Chalgrave on 12 Oct 1821. At that time John was a batchelor of Leighton Buzzard & Mary was a spinster. as well as William they baptised further 4 children at Chalgrave.
Elizabeth on 3 Apr 1824 abode Chalgrave, she was buried there 2 Dec 1838 where abode was Toddington
George on 11 Sep 1825 abode Chalgrave
Ann on 23 Sep 1827 abode Chalgrave
John on 5 Jul 1834 where abode was Tebworth, he was buried at Chalgrave later that year 18 Aug 1834 age 9 months, again abode Tebworth
Above info as per Family Search & FindMyPast + Surnames Index CD
Regards
John
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Many thanks for that. All info is very much appreciated and now I am on my way again. Thanks again.
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Jackski -- if you order the marriage certificate for William and Elizabeth - you will obtain the fathers' names and occupations for both of them. You will then have definite evidence to take you backwards with those lines.
By the way - going back to William being shown as Willm on the marriage registration -- if you subscribe to subscription sites such as Ancestry or Find My Past - you can use wild cards (ie an asterisk) for names which are commonly abbreviated.
For example Wil* -- that will bring up any letters after those first 3. Elizabeth as well can be abbreviated to Eliz. Hence use a wild card - Eliz*.
Please forgive me if you know all that - it's just that you mentioned the 'Willm' earlier. I am not sure if you can use wild cards on FreeBMD.
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1851 Census
Chalgrave
William WILLIS, 51, Head, Widr, Ag Lab, born Toddington
Jane Willis, 19, Daug
Elizabeth Willis, 15, Daug
Elize Willis, 12 (George a son on image)
Ann WALKER, 23, Neice, Straw Plaiter, born Chalgrave******
So Ann Bapt 23 Sep 1827 is with her Mothers Brother.
As for George 1825.
Bedford Gaol
George Walker
Age: 18 (1825)
Birth Place: Chalgrave, Bedfordshire
Committal Date: 1843
Offence: Damaging a Door
If you look at the record on Anc it has a description of him.
Trish :)
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Yes I did know about wildcards but you can't use them on freebmd. I'm beginning to think freebmd isn't all that good.
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Ann married John HIDE 19 Jul 1853 Toddington
Unable to find John/Mary Walker 1841/1851 Census. May have died/ one of them remarried?
Or George 1841/1851 (he may have married a Emma after 1851)
Cant find Ann conclusively 1841 either. (now found**)
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Ann Walker is with the Willis family in Toddington in 1841 Census.
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Unable to find John/Mary Walker 1841/1851 Census. May have died/ one of them remarried?
As per NBI burials at Chalgrave
John Walker 25 May 1834 age 49
Mary Walker 5 June 1834 age 47
as per BFHS Surname Index CD both these had Fancourt as abode
Cheers John
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Or George 1841/1851 (he may have married a Emma after 1851)
A George Walker married Emma Goodson in Dec qtr 1855 at Woburn Distr