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Title: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: SamuelF992 on Thursday 01 October 20 21:28 BST (UK)
Good evening everyone

I need some help finding my ancestor Thomas Marsh. He was born around 1776 in London, however the census only says "London, parish NK (not known)". He moved to Wellington in Somerset, where he worked as a saddler and married Mary Hodder in 1803 in Honiton. There's no further indication as to his family or birth in the marriage record or census. In the marriage he is listed as "sojourner". The only other thing I noticed was that in the 1841 census there is a John Morrish living with the family. Potentially some connection to Marsh?

Thomas died in 1857.

1841 census - Wellington Somerset: HO107/950 Book 5; Folio 16/p 24

1851 census: HO107/1921/386 p36

Many thanks
Samuel
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: [Ray] on Thursday 01 October 20 21:56 BST (UK)
Hi

1841 Family Sarah Tozer is Sarah Marsh married Richard Tozer 1840 Qsep.WellingtonTheir son Stephen b1840 Wellington (mmn Marsh)     

John Morrish is listed as  "M.S." (Male Servant) aged "30"         

Marsh is listed as "65" and a "Sadler" (not sojourner)     



Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: SamuelF992 on Thursday 01 October 20 22:00 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Yes, Sarah and Richard are my ancestors.  :)

A couple more bits of info. While the census gives a birth date of 1776 for Thomas, his death certificate gives an age of 88, so 1769.

The 1851 census has Sarah and Elizabeth Marsh as grandaughters of Thomas, but I can't find a record of birth for them and I also don't have a son for Thomas who could be their father (unless they were illegitimate).

Best wishes
Samuel
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: [Ray] on Thursday 01 October 20 22:05 BST (UK)


1841 adults ages are rounded to "0/5"

My reply #2 was amended
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:18 BST (UK)
Check the granddaughter Elizabeth’s birth on the gro birth index, it will give a mother’s maiden name then you can check for a marriage.
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: SamuelF992 on Thursday 01 October 20 22:24 BST (UK)
Unfortunately, here is another problem. I can't find Elizabeth on the gro either! Have checked from 1844-1846 and there's no Elizabeth Marsh born in Wellington or the surrounding area
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:30 BST (UK)
No, I couldn’t see a baptism either.

There is one for a Sarah Marsh in  Wellington 1835 ... 2 years earlier than expected. Parents are Charles Marsh, a mason and wife Elizabeth.  You might want to keep a note of that just in case, Ancestry has the Somerset parish record images, FindMyPast has transcripts only
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: SamuelF992 on Thursday 01 October 20 22:37 BST (UK)
Ah! Excellent! Just looked into this and Charles is definitely a relation. Born in 1804 in Honiton, one year after Thomas and Mary's marriage there.
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:41 BST (UK)
See 1861
Rg9/1610/76 p 16

I think Elizabeth is down as Eliza but now aged 20!
Mother Betsy
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:43 BST (UK)
Another daughter Susanna down as Susan was baptised Wellington 9jul1854 same parents Charles and Elizabeth
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: SamuelF992 on Thursday 01 October 20 22:45 BST (UK)
Thank you. Betsy (Elizabeth)'s maiden name was Giles, married Charles 1828. Can't find any record of baptism on Ancestry or FindMyPast for Charles. They must have been non-conformist as I can't find baptisms for any of Thomas and Mary's children.
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:46 BST (UK)
Charles Marsh married Elizabeth Giles 15/ Aug 1828 Wellington, states he is a sojourner in this parish?
Witnesses Ann Holley and James Cape
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:47 BST (UK)
I couldn’t find any baptisms for Thomas’s children either
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:53 BST (UK)
Interestingly, Eliza is also listed as being with her parents in Honiton in 1851.  I also found my own grandmother listed twice on the 1911 census so not unheard of.
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: KitCarson on Thursday 01 October 20 22:56 BST (UK)
'sojourner' - does that not just mean that the person was residing there temporarily?

Kit
Title: Re: Finding ancestor from unknown London parish
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 01 October 20 22:58 BST (UK)
Yes, but I now realise he was originally from Honiton not Wellington.