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Title: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: NormanE on Friday 02 October 20 06:30 BST (UK)
Caroline UDALE c 1872 and  husband Frederick c 1875 baptised their daughter Sarah Annie at KIngs Norton 22 January 1899 (Sarah Annie died that year). That is the last record I can find of them together.
Caroline and Frederick were married in 1893 at Wirksworth Derbyshire. Their marriage certificate was modified in 1897, she had been entered as Annie Yeomans Davis and had signed with that name. She became Caroline with father Joseph EMERY a Boot maker. This fits well with an 1881 record at Stourbridge. There is a marriage of a Caroline UDALE to a John DAVIS at Walsall in 1888.
Now Frederick UDALE can be fitted to to a Frederick UDOLLORESS shown at Cheltenham in the 1901 Census, born Montreal Canada ( In the 1911 census born Wirksworth). The name UDOLLORESS created by Frederick is unique. Frederick went on to marry a Keziah HIGGINS in 1902.

I have been unable to find any evidence of Caroline c 1872 after 1899. Was Frederick escaping from a marriage when he became UDOLLORESS?
Thoughts and advice would be very welcome.
NormanE
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 02 October 20 06:50 BST (UK)
This marriage certificate -

"...Caroline and Frederick were married in 1893 at Wirksworth Derbyshire."

Can you please list all the information on this document...for Caroline and for Frederick....all ages, occupations, dates etc......also names of witnesses.

What, exactly, is the notation, 1897...with name change.

How is the authorisation for this amendment recorded.

For this marriage -
"..Frederick went on to marry a Keziah HIGGINS in 1902."

How is frederick described....widow...bachelor....divorced?

Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 02 October 20 07:06 BST (UK)
December 24 1893

Frederick UDALE 19, Bachelor, Engine Driver, Wirksworth, Alfred UDALE  labourer
Annie Yeomans DAVIS, 19, Spinster, Wirksworth, Thomas Yeomans DAVIS, deceased

Signed Frederick UDALE.                 In the Presence of Charles HANSON
           Annie Newmans DAVIS.                                   Sarah UDALE

Then beneath hand written is
In the presence of Frederick UDALE
                            Caroline UDALE.  The parties married

Corrected on 22 Oct 1897. By me  the Vicar etc

In the margin

“In column 3 For Annie Yeomans read Caroline
In column 7 for Thomas Yeomans Davis read Joseph Emery
In Column 8 omit deceased insert Bootmaker.






Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 02 October 20 07:20 BST (UK)
1902 marriage at Bishops Cleve

Frederick says Bachelor, 27.Motor Driver,  Father Alfred labourer crossed out. Replaced by gent
Witnesses are both Higgins.
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 02 October 20 07:44 BST (UK)
Another child?

UDALE, CARRIE       EMERY 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 174

Added, perhaps this is her death

UDALE,  -      0 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 99

For completeness

UDALE, SARAH  ANNIE     EMERY 
GRO Reference: 1898  D Quarter in KINGS NORTON  Volume 06C  Page 442
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: ev on Friday 02 October 20 08:13 BST (UK)
Quote
This fits well with an 1881 record at Stourbridge

Adding 1881 Census entry for Caroline Emery , age 9 -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KJJS


ev
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 02 October 20 08:35 BST (UK)
Have you found Caroline in 1891?
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: Millmoor on Friday 02 October 20 08:42 BST (UK)
Worth having a look at the newspaper archive for Frederick Udollloress . There are a few articles in the Gloucestershire papers in September 1906. A candidate objected to him being on the electoral register as he was an alien (an American subject). Defence was that he was born in Ontario, his mother was a Derbyshire woman and his father a British subject, but that he had since lived in America, though not voting there nor taking out letters of naturalisation. His vote was allowed.

One article states that he came to this country in order to undertake part of the installation work for the Cheltenham Light Railway Company. Does this square with the records you have for Frederick Udale?

William

Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 02 October 20 08:57 BST (UK)

My amendment here -  mms for all is SNELSON   ....... so DAVIS not relevant here.


Census 1881 at Amblecote Staffordshire
EMERY Joseph     37y   cordwainer                                b. Stoubridge Worcestershire
EMERY Emma      37y    bootbinder                               b. Lye Worcestershire
EMERY Joseph     16y     glass engraver                         b. Lye Worcestershire
EMERY Thomas    13y    scholar                                    b. Lye Worcestershire
EMERY Caroline      9y                                                  b. Lye Worcestershire
EMERY Emily         6y                                                   b. Stoubridge Worcestershire
EMERY Joseph      84y   father widower cordwainer         b. Stoubridge Worcestershire

Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: softly softly on Friday 02 October 20 08:59 BST (UK)
Deaths Jun 1933   
Udolloress    Frederick    58    Cheltenham    6a   473

John
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: chempat on Friday 02 October 20 09:03 BST (UK)
Frederick (Udale) Udolloress is in more than 20 trees on Ancestry - have you compared notes to see if anyone has more information?
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: softly softly on Friday 02 October 20 09:07 BST (UK)
Births Jun 1904   
Udolloress    Frederick Charles        Cheltenham    6a   454  mmn Higgins

J
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: ev on Friday 02 October 20 09:16 BST (UK)
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There is a marriage of a Caroline UDALE to a John DAVIS at Walsall in 1888.

It's Caroline Emery / John Davis , marriage 1888 Walsall.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DDT-4SQ


ev
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: chempat on Friday 02 October 20 09:44 BST (UK)
Caroline seemed to be recorded as Yeomans, but appears to sign as Annie Newmans Davis at marriage in 1893.  Just for information.
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 02 October 20 09:46 BST (UK)
It's Caroline Emery / John Davis , marriage 1888 Walsall.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DDT-4SQ

Caroline Emery must have married Edward Joseph Hardwick (not John Davis)
Here they are in Walsall in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W39V-1ZM

Birth of William
HARDWICK, WILLIAM  COLIN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: EMERY 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in WALSALL  Volume 06B  Page 667

And in 1901, Caroline Hardwick, 31, born Walsall.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSWM-VDY

Birth of Elsie
HARDWICK, ELSIE  MAY     
Mother's Maiden Surname: EMERY 
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in WALSALL  Volume 06B  Page 768

So it's a different Caroline Emery!
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: chempat on Friday 02 October 20 09:51 BST (UK)
Yes, marriage is on F M P to Mr Hardwick.  Her father was Jonas.
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: Millmoor on Friday 02 October 20 10:40 BST (UK)
Just in case you do not have this. In the 1881 census Frederick has been transcribed as Frederic Eldale and is in Winksworth. Given that he can seemingly be located in all censuses the North America connection is fictional - obvious question is why ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-BMZJ

William
Title: Re: What happened to Caroline UDALE c 1872?
Post by: NormanE on Friday 02 October 20 14:53 BST (UK)
Thank you all for showing interest in my enquiry.
I have already tried the avenues suggested so far.
In 1895 before the changes made to the 1893 marriage register The first child of the marriage Carrie was registered by mother C (presumably Caroline) UDALE
Wivenhoe you will see Mckha has answered your query for me. Mckha  I have searched the 1891 census for Caroline as either an EMERY or a DAVIS again with out success.
Early days for my enquiry and I live in hope.
Thank you ALL!!
NormanE