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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: brigidmac on Sunday 04 October 20 07:48 BST (UK)
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William H Jones b Apr 1874 d1955
m Sarah Ellis1875 1937
He had 7 children and doesn't seem to link to my JONES families
According to tree his eldest daughters mother was Jane PRICE
Her given parents don't match my PRICE. Family
she was not married to William H Jones publican of red lion pub Trydden but worked there as a cook in 1899 when her daughter Beatrice May Price-jones was born
I do have a Jane Price on my tree who married Thomas Parry in 1902 aged 30 she had 6 children her parents are Abraham PRICE and Martha JONES
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So contact with tree owner revealed that Beatrice May PRICE JONES was brought up be her birth father and wife Sarah ELLIS
Who he.d married shortly after Beatrice.s birth family story was that Jane wanted too much money for upkeep .
He had wrong parents for Jane PRICE because DNA links us to Janes mother Martha Ann Jones only 27cm but our shared matches are all through this line.
The reason I double checked this connection was that Jane's elder sister was with her grandparents age 12=at another pub Rhos y Crown in Llanorman 1881+was a barmaid and waitress in 1891
She had two PRICE children Harriet elizabeth PRICE 1889 +1897who were adopted by William Lloyd + Margaret ROBERTS
But kept their surname PRICE
Harriet E PRICE went on to marry John william WILLIAMS
1885 helpfully a tree owner with 57cm DNA match has added a tag to her profile " adopted "
Link to topic on how DNA helped find other matches
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836614.msg7018722#msg7018722
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Have you got to the 'aps' (patronymics) yet, Brigid?
Gadget
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No gadget I imagine that is incredibly complicated .
What era do you go back to before aps kick in ?
Patriarch who links all these matches is Joseph Jones b 1827
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It would be good to have DNA links or more paper trail to take me back to his grandfather John Jones 1756
Via father William Jones 1801
I wonder if William JONES 1838 Tryddyn ,coalminer. father of William H publican of red lion is actually connected to my lot too
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It d be good to have DNA links or more paper trail to take me back to his grandfather John Jones 1756
I wonder if William JONES 1838 Tryddyn ,coalminer. father of William H publican of red lion is actually connected to my lot too
Oops that paragraph is totally wrong because josephs father was the william b 1784 in post 1
& guess what ...
I DO have links to the father via a brother Edward Jones b 1822
Some showing on thru lines some not. due to trees not going back that far or having different parents
Tho now I have to find a grandfather for him trees suggest Reubin JONES .b USA & died there ( unlikely ? )
Gadget ..maybe this is when ..aps kick in
Heres the link to dna results for anyone who s interested
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836614.0
& heres a link to some of the children who floated between families ...some still not identified
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813834.0
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If you go here:
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/miscellanea.htm
and click on
Patronymic Paranoia
you'll get some interesting info on the aps :)
The more west you go the longer the patronymic form existed. Mine are mainly from Merionethshire.
:)
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That page will keep me busy gadget thanks
Btw my sister sings " Gresford disaster" beautifully
(I never realised it wasnt part of hrr Scottish folk song repertoire .)
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have now found a publican miner William.JONES who didnt marry the pub cook but kept their baby and married someone else
Also found some girl miners so will be reading up about that too
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I come from a coal mining family on one line. My Dad had lots of stories about the mines. I have a copy of my grt grandfather's diary for 1900 with lots of info about his work too.
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The mining girls I found were children of james roberts ,b,1838 & dorcas jones ,b1847
Born between 1869 & 1894 in flintshire
Working as coal pickers age 17 +19 in
atherton lancs
I have miners on my scots side
My aunt told me some stories of her.grandad my great grandfather who left mining..after an accident .
Would love to read extracts of your gt grandads diaries can you post any ?
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message Irom a DNA contact it's taken 3 years to find how we connect
" I hadn't realised you actually had Jane price in your tree, the same link to (S mutual match )
But what made my jaw drop open is the picture of Martha Ann Jones - because I have this SAME photo in my collection. I had it labelled as unknown, possibly William Henry Jones's mother ."
Just goes to show proof can come from all sorts of sources.