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Title: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: Oletta on Sunday 04 October 20 13:24 BST (UK)
Dear All

Can anyone help me with researching for death and marriage for these two sister's.  They are Ann Gourlay born 23 August 1824 in Kirkpatrick Fleming and Mary Gourlay born 16 February 1811  in Kirkpatrick Fleming.  Their parents were John Gourlay and Jannet Young.

Thank you
Regards
Oletta
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 October 20 13:32 BST (UK)
None of the 9 anc tree's offer any clues  :-\

Sandra
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: ColC on Monday 05 October 20 11:03 BST (UK)
GOURLAY   ANN   JOHN GOURLAY/JANNET YOUNG    23/08/1824   Kirkpatrick Fleming

I note the record for Ann above on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk but no Mary around 1811

MARGARET is the nearest to the year 16/09/1812 and there a five others in between.

There are only two marriages in the County on SP .

GOURLEY   JAMES   MARION DICKSON   14/02/1845   Annan
GOURLEY   MARY   GEORGE BELL   22/10/1829   Graitney or Gretna

No marriage in Scotland for John & Janet but possible birth John below, 8 in the County for Janet.

JOHN GOURLAW 11/09/1787Kirkpatrick Fleming
SAMUEL GOURLAW/MARY HEARKNESS

Colin
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: ColC on Monday 05 October 20 17:23 BST (UK)
This looks like the family in 1841 freecen.

1841   Dumfriesshire (DFS)   Kirkpatrick-Fleming   Kirkpatrick Fleming   Broatsmuir

GORLEY   John   M   50   Cotton Hand Loom Weaver   DFS
GORLEY   Jannet   F   50      DFS
GORLEY   Margret   16/09/1812   26   Maybe married William Rule Annan July 1841 straight after census   DFS
GORLEY   Agness   19/09/1813   24      DFS
GORLEY   John   13/11/1816   22   Cotton Hand Loom Weaver   DFS
GORLEY   Jannet   00/04/181921/04/1819   20   Could be birth & Baptism on SP   
GORLEY   Jean   14/01/1822   17   Noted as Jane on SP   DFS
GORLEY   Samuel              11   On SP 20/09/1829 noted as Gourland born Gretna
                                                        Parents John Gourland & Janet Young   DFS                                                                                       
GORLEY   Ann                       7   DFS - no trace of record?

On SP now but not there this morning?
GOURLEY   MARY   JOHN GOURLEY/JANNET YOUNG    F   16/02/1811   Kirkpatrick Fleming

Colin
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: ColC on Monday 05 October 20 17:50 BST (UK)
It looks like the marriage in 1829 may be correct. Only child?
BELL   JOHN   GEORGE BELL/MARY GOURLIE    14/11/1832   Middlebie

Also the marriage of Margaret in 1841 -
on the 1851 census born Kirkpatrick Fleming, with William and three children born 1843 – 1848
Plus later.
RULE   ROBERT   WILLIAM RULE/MARGARET GOURLEY    02/02/1853   Annan
RULE   GEORGE   WILLIAM RULE/MARGARET GORLEY    24/03/1851   Annan

No trace of Ann unless the one on the 1841 census should read 17 but unlikely as the SP transcript is the same.

Colin
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: hmcc on Monday 05 October 20 19:03 BST (UK)
1851 census has 3 grand daughters living with John and Jannet Gorley.
Margaret Irving (11months), birth on SP 6/4/1850 Kirkpatrick Fleming, f-Christopher Irving, m-Jane Gourly.
Elizabeth Black (6)
Jannet Thomson (7)
Have not found a birth for Elizabeth or Jannet but would assume their mother/s would be daughters of John and Jannet.
There are a few Gorley/Gourley/Gourlay headstones at Kirkpatrick Fleming Churchyard on Find A Grave.
hmcc
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: Oletta on Sunday 11 October 20 15:28 BST (UK)
Hello Colc

Thank you very much for the information you very kindly sent me!  The 1851 census is this the one you can hardly read.  I think this is what it reads:- 
William Rule (Head) 34 head occupation something and handloom weaver (married) born Annan
Margaret Rule 20 born Kirkpatrick Fleming
I think it reads William (Son) 1 born Annan
Agnes (Daughter) born Annan 6 and Jannet (Daughter) born Annan 3
Cannot read were they lived at.

Regards
Oletta
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: Oletta on Sunday 11 October 20 15:35 BST (UK)
Good Afternoon hmcc

Elizabeth and Jannet are the daughters of John and Jannet  (nee Young) Gourlay.
I don't think Janet was married to Christopher Irving but they went to Australia.  All that I know is that Jannet died in 1918 in South Australia.  I also have to find what happened to Jean Gourlay born abt 1824 in Kirpatrick Fleming and Agnes born 1813 in Kirkpatrick Fleming parents also John and Jannet Gourlay
Regards
Oletta
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: ColC on Sunday 11 October 20 17:06 BST (UK)
Hello Colc
The 1851 census is this the one you can hardly read.

The census is an Ancestry transcript.

Downies Wynd, Annan.

William Rule   34
Margaret Rule   34
William Rule   8
Agnes Rule   6
Jannet Rule   3

This seems to agree with the SP Transcripts.

Colin
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: hmcc on Sunday 11 October 20 19:21 BST (UK)
Hi,
1851 Census Broats Moor, Kirkpatrick Fleming
John Gorley, head (64) handloom weaver.
Jannet Gorley, wife (67)
Agness Gorley, daughter (34)
John Gorley, son (32)
Jannet Gorley, daughter (30)
Jean Gorley, daughter (27)
Elizabeth Black, grand daughter (6)
Jannet Thomson, grand daughter (7)
Margaret Irving, grand daughter (11months)
All born Kirkpatrick Fleming.
In my last post referring to Margaret Irving as a daughter of Jane Gorley and Christopher Irving, Jane would possibly be Jean as above in 1851 census and not Jannet. Jean Scottish version of Jane.
hmcc.
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: hmcc on Sunday 11 October 20 21:09 BST (UK)
Deaths on SP
John Gorley  at Kirkpatrick Fleming 1859 (72) mother Harkness.
Janet Gorley 1855 (71) mother Rome.
hmcc.
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: Oletta on Tuesday 13 October 20 18:41 BST (UK)
Good evening hmcc

Thank you for information I will get back to you when I find more about the Gourlay Family

Thanks again
Oletta
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: Oletta on Tuesday 27 July 21 18:46 BST (UK)
Dear All

William Rule and Margaret Gourley (Gorley) married 16 July 1841 in the parish or Annan.  Their children are William born 1843, Agnes born 1845, Jannet born 1848.  These children are on the 1841 census then later they have Robert Rule born 2 February 1853 in Annan and George born March 1851 again in Annan, Dumfriesshire.

I found William (Senior) Rule had died in Sept 1867 in West Derby, Lancashire aged 51 years.

But in the 1861 census in Scotland William Rule is married (cannot find a marriage) to Rebecca Stewart Gordon aged 39 born in Kirkcudbrightshire.  She died in S C Asylum about 1891 and is buried in Dumfries. 

William and Rebecca Rule had a son called Martin Smith Rule born 12 December 1856 and a Daughter called Ann Rule born about 1860, both born in Annan.

But what happened to Margaret Rule nee Gourlay???  She must have died?? Can anyone help me to find her death??

Regards
Oletta
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: hmcc on Tuesday 27 July 21 19:44 BST (UK)
A marriage for William Rule and Rebecca Gordon on 27th November 1854 at Annan on SP.
His first wife Margaret must have died between February 1853 and November 1854 but can't find a death on SP for her.
hmcc.
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: ColC on Wednesday 28 July 21 10:12 BST (UK)
If Margaret died in Annan no church burials listed there on SP unfortunately. You could see if there is any mention in the Kirk Session Records.

Colin
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: ecksdochter on Wednesday 28 July 21 14:04 BST (UK)
     From ScotlandsPeople. Agnes Gourlay/Gourley (listed under both spellings), other name *Carlyle, died 1887 at Hoddom, Dumfries aged 73yrs. Mother's maiden name Young. [Statutory Deaths 829/00 01]
     Agnes Gourlay and John *Carlile married 1857 at Dornock, Dumfries. [Statutory Marriages 819/00 03]
     Age is out but there's a death for a John Gourley, mother's maiden name Young, died 1887 at Kirkpatrick Fleming, Dumfries, aged 78yrs. [Statutory Deaths 837/2 14]
          Regards,     Dod.
Title: Re: Gourlay Sister's
Post by: Oletta on Wednesday 28 July 21 17:30 BST (UK)
Dear All

Thank you very, very much for the information youhave all very kindly sent, but I think these Gourlay's are getting complicated. 

When I first put on the tab I was looking for Mary and Ann.  I think I have jumped with different information which I have been given.

At present Margaret Gourlay (Gorley)'s parents are Samuel gourlay and Mary Harkness.  This is the Margaret that has married William Rule.  All the other Gourlay's that everyone has sent me do fit in my family tree.  But the problem we have each family keep using the same Christian names from one generation to the next!!  They don't make thing easy!!

REgards
Oletta