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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Alandal on Sunday 04 October 20 20:07 BST (UK)
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We have inherited an old pewter Beer Tankard, marked “Quart” and 67 (which we take to mean 1867) and whilst we can read Globe, Boro’ Market (now know as The Globe Tavern and built in 1872), we cannot read the owners name. Any ideas ?
Thanks Al & Al
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Tentatively, I'd say it begins: W. Tur____
This is based on the three part r seen in Boro' and Market.
Can you try photographing it with the light from different angles on the last part of the surname?
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Could it be Turpin?
From 08 February 1896 - South London Chronicle - London, London, England :
In the licensed victuallers' billiard competition now proceeding, Mr. W. Turpin, of the Globe, Boro' Market,...
Other competitions in other years for this W. Turpin give his first name as Walter.
(If the 67 on your tankard is for 1867, this fellow might not fit. The 1901 census shows him to be the manager of The Globe, but his age is only 35. Could the 67 mean something else, as it appears the Globe didn't come into existence until 1872?)
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The tankard may have been cast in 1867 and inscribed later?
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Think it might be William Boxall Turpin from an 1868 article (which means the Globe WAS in existence!)
Morning Post 02 December 1868
The article is about law case where the prisoner seemed to be absconding with money from the local pubs, one being:
Mr William Boxall Turpin said he kept the Globe public-house, York-street, Bow-market.
In the 1891 census, William Walter Turpin was the manager of the Globe, at 8 York St.
In 1893, William Walter is listed (along with other Turpins) in a newspaper advert for claims against the estate of William Boxall Turpin, late of the Globe, but I don't think it was his father, perhaps an uncle.
Searching the history of the Globe, Boro' it shows on their website that York St. was changed to Bedale Street.
Edit:
South London Press 23 November 1867
List of businesses being fined for not measuring accurately:
William Boxall Turpin, York-street, Borough Market, the Globe: Six measures. Fined £1 10s
Edit again:
The Era 29 September 1861
From an article listing all the transfers:
St Saviour - Globe, York-street, Harriet James, widow and administratix of Henry James, the late occuper [sic], to William Boxall Turpin.
H. James (possibly the Henry James just mentioned) shows in an advert in 1827:
Morning Advertiser 24 August 1827
It's an ad about letting a shop, and at the end says For cards of address apply at Mr. Cooper's, Corn-dealer, No. 55, Union-street, Borough; or of H. James, at the Globe, Borough Market.
1827 is the earliest mention I can find of the Globe; I think whoever wrote up the history and put it's inception at 1872 either flipped the 27 into 72? It could be older, and just never made the papers, too.
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Thank you all for your time and replies given above, I will have another look at the ‘67 inscription later as this appears to be an ‘official’ stamp - maybe to do with measuring the capacity of the tankard.
I am also wondering whether the Inn was rebuilt in 1872 when it was “designed by renowned Victorian architect Henry Jarvis”.
Al & Al
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Pubwiki has a Globe tavern on the site as early as 1770 https://pubwiki.co.uk/LondonPubs/SouthwarkStSaviour/Globe.shtml
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I am also wondering whether the Inn was rebuilt in 1872 when it was “designed by renowned Victorian architect Henry Jarvis”.
Ah, that would make sense!
Is pewter graded somehow? Maybe the 67 means something along those lines? (Such as gold is 10 or 14K?)
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I have just come back and seen bbart's posts.
I have no doubt it is Turpin.
The long stroke (and small serif at the top) plus the next two strokes are the p. The middle stroke is the "horizontal" stroke.
The two strokes close together are the i (which is also dotted) - one attack stroke and one down stroke.
The following five strokes are all the n - one attack stroke, one down stroke, one "horizontal" stroke, then a down stroke and cleverly implied flourish.
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Just found this, with regard to the markings: https://www.pewtersociety.org/identifying-and-collecting-pewter/verification-and-capacity-marks
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Thanks to all for your suggestions and contributions. It looks like I will need to take some time out to track down the Verification Marks as one list shows it to be a Birmingham Mark and another (more likely) to be a Batterea Mark, but have been unable to get any dating to go with it.
I will also put together a family tree for the Turpin Globe Landlaord, to get a better idea of when it was in use (this will not a the firsttime I have created a family tree, asthis was done a few years ago to find out about a family of clockmakes inscribed on an old grandfather clock !).
Al & Al
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The same site with the verification marks also offers to help people identify their old pewter
https://www.pewtersociety.org/identifying-and-collecting-pewter/help-identification
Good luck!