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Hi there,
My name is Bryan and I'm trying to locate my family tree. My great great grandfather's name was Joseph Adams and he lived in Shettleston Scotland in the mid 1920s. His child Robert Adams (great grandfather) and wife Mary came to Canada in 1926 on the SS Baltic. Robert and Mary and 7 children (Joseph, James, John, Susan, Jean, May, and Ruby) were listed as being born in Coatbridge. Can you help me to locate any info that helps me explore further back. Thanks
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Sorry - were Robert and Mary's children born in Coatbridge?
Have you found the family in the American censuses, and so an approximate birth date for any of them?
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In 1926, Robert was 46, Mary 43, then 22, 19, 17, 16, 14, 9, 8, all Coatbrige, for information.
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You need to use scotlands people for birth certificates, 1911 census, etc
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records
Cannot see Ruby, wonder if that was her birth name?
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His death in Canada in 1946 gives his wife as Mary Lawson, his Father as Joseph Adams and his Mother as Jean Davidson.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLKR-ZNZ
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There is a marriage on scotlandspeople for Robert Adams and Mary W Lawson in 1901 in Blythswood.
Suggest you purchase some credits from them so you can find the details'
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I was able to trace back the documents from when my family settled in Canada in 1926 and have documents from then, All the way up to their move to British Columbia.
On their original ship documents it lists my great great grandfather, Joseph Adams (54 Budhill Ave Shettleston Glasgow) as the contact back home. The only one I have a birthdate for is for James Lawson Adams (Robert and Mary's son- my grandfather) and that's June 6, 1906. I've tried using Scotland's people and without paying money, I can't see any that I know for sure are my relatives.
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You need to subscribe to scotlandspeople.
This could be Robert and family in 1901 living in Coatbridge, all but Joseph born Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, just before his marriage
Joseph Adams 66 coal pit headman Kilmarnock
Jane Adams 54
John Adams 30 coal miner
Robert Adams 21 coal miner
William Adams 18 coal miner
Charles Adams 15 coal miner
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This could be the family in 1881 census
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In 1891 Joseph is born Ireland, (all the rest Old Monkland) and Jane and Joseph are rather different in age. Men are miners.
Joseph Adams 47
Jane Adams 44
John Adams 21
Francis Adams 15
Mary Adams 13
Robert Adams 11
William Adams 8
Charles Adams 5
So that 1881 has Joseph born Ireland also.
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1871, Ireland for Joseph, Coatbridge for rest, living at Gartgill Row
Joseph Adams 28 collier
Jane Adams 24
Janet Adams 3
John Adams 1
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Just out of interest, not sure if correct area
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74955769
Try here
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.87861&lon=-4.04936&layers=168&right=BingHyb
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Wow! Thank you, I am very new at this and did not see those names before. I have a subscription to Scotland's people but only see file names so I was feeling deflated. I just saw a link that was posted with an attachment that's gone now. It listed even further back with a name Davidson? Possibly the parents of Joseph who was 47 in 1891?
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I think the pdf is still there.
If you have scotlands people you can use credits to see the actual image for the censuses.
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I think this is probably the death for Joseph, and purchasing the certificate (from Scotlands People) should give you more information.
ADAMS
JOSEPH
90
1931
644/19 254
Shettleston
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And I think this is the death for Joseph's wife, Jane Davidson. Again purchase it from SP and it should give you more information about her parents, etc.
DAVIDSON
JANE
58
1905
652/2 256
Coatbridge or Old Monkland
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Marriage of Joseph ADAM and Jane DAVIDSON
24 Jun 1864 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
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Thank you so much everyone for all the info you've given me. I wasn't aware that my lineage now takes me to Ireland
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B.James, just a note when you search on Scotlands People, the name is sometimes spelled ADAM without the S. It is best to use the “fuzzy” search option.
In the 1911 census the ADAMS family is in Shettleston: Robert age 30, Mary age 28, children: Joseph 7, James 4, John 2, Susan 1.
Joseph ADAMS senior age 72 is living in the next house.
This is the family in the Canadian census 1926 Battle River, Alberta https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP2Z-NRNY
More information for some of the children:
1. Joseph ADAMS born 1904 Coatbridge
2. James Lawson ADAMS born 11 June 1906 Coatbridge; died 10 Oct 1983 Mission, British Columbia. Married 1938 to Minnie E. JOHNSTON
3. John ADAMS born 19 Oct 1908 Coatbridge; died 6 May 1936 Mission, British Columbia.
4. Susan ADAMS birth registered 1911 in Pollokshields (called “Florence” in 1926 census?)
5. Jeannie Davidson ADAMS born 1916 Shettleston
6. Mary Lawson ADAMS born 1917 Shettleston
7. Robina “Ruby” ADAMS born 1920 Shettleston
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I believe I have found Joseph Adams in the 1861 census. He is with his parents and siblings in Holytown, Lanarkshire.
Scotlands People Ref. 625/2 17/ 8
Head of house is John Adams age 41, wife Mary Jane Adams (43), Joseph (17), William (15), Ann (13), Mary (11) Robert 8.
Brother 1- William Adams married Janet Neilson in 1868 Old Monkland. 1881 census for them is attached. Note: they have a daughter also named “Robina”.
Brother 2 – Robert Adams married Margaret Draffen in 1879 Old Monkland. In the 1881 census Robert is also a coal miner; living Gartgill, Old Monkland.
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Wow! Thank you again. There's no doubt that would be my great great great grandfather, John Adams. Joseph's age has been questionably different on every document I've seen but that definitely has to be them.
I've seen a lot of documents mentioning Holytown but couldn't connect the pieces yet 😁
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Is there any reference sites that are helpful for searching Irish records? I can't seem to find any record of my family pre scotland
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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If you can get John Adams death certificate from Scotland, it should give you his parents' names, which will be a good lead to look in Ireland.
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Thanks for the tips. I followed your advise and I believe I found great great great great grandpa and grandma John and Agnes but now my dates take me pre 1800. Aside from traveling across the world to explore documents in Ireland myself, are there are suggestions that could help me?
It would appear John was burried in Londonderry Ireland and the only thing I've come across is American Adams settlers from the early 1700s also originated from there but it feels like there's still a generational gap.
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You need to write down absolutely all the details you have, and post it on the forum.
You have not said what new information you now know.
I would start a new topic in the Ireland forum, and those who have experience with that country may be able help.
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Ireland forum? I set this forum up under beginners and not sure what you mean.
I am pretty sure I located the correct John Adams of 1814 (not sure exact birthday). He was married to Mary Jane Stewart (born about 1809, died May 24, 1873) and he died Nov. 3, 1866 in Coatbridge.
On his death record (if I was looking at the right John) shows his parents as being John Adams and wife Agnes Sinclair. When l followed Agnes through census and death records, I found John Adams of 1781 which would make sense as she was born 1793. He died May 14, 1870 in Desert, Count Londonderry. I can't find a marriage record of Adams/Sinclair so I haven't been able to confirm if these are all one in the same. Her death was recorded by someone on Ancestry as 1826 in lanarkshire. They may have been married in Ireland but I can't seem to navigate the Irish Genealogy link you sent me.
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Without seeing the detail, it sounds as if you have found the correct death certificate in 1866 for John Adams.
There is a burial record on Scotlands People for an Agnes Sinclair in 1826 - you would have to check it is correct.
Here is the link the the Ireland Forum.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/ireland/