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I have the marriage certificate for Eliza Andrews to Joseph Barratt for 9th Aug 1885, at the Parish church of Black Heath, registration District Stourbridge. They both give Langley as their address, she is age 20, spinster, no occupation, father John Andrews, witnessed by Joseph Yeomans? and Sarah Jane Hackett.
Looking on the GRO site for births around 1865+/- 2 years, there are over 70 Eliza Andrews registered as born around the country, of which at least 5 are born in Worcs/Birmingham area. Using FreeBMD, I have checked for marriages between a John Andrews and the MMNs given for the Birmingham area births and at least three have the groom as John - Emma Rose, Harriet Green and Hannah Tustin. There may well be others I have missed. Please can anyone help me find the correct family?
Many thanks
Tig
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We really need 1881 census checking
What was father's occupation on marriage cert
Louisa Maud
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Could you please give details from the 1891 census
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possibles
1891
RG12/2266 FOLIO52 PAGE 8
Joseph aged 25 coal minor born Oldbury Worcs
Eliza 25 Bartley Green/Barley Green
Lily 4 Oldbury
Joseph 1 Oldbury, MMN checked Andrews
1901,
RG13/2707 F96 P47
Joseph 33
Eliza 35
Lily 14
Joseph 4
Louisa Maud
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That 1891 census is the one posted on several Ancestry trees for them.
Not yet found censuses for her in 1881, 1871 in their trees.
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Thank you for replying. Eliza's father John's occupation on her marriage certificate is difficult to read but looks something like stone or stoke br....?
The only census information I have for 1891 is an address of 73 Park Lane, Oldbury. I don't have any subscriptions to sites at the moment to look at the census records in full - I'm looking at research done by family from 30 years ago and the researcher is no longer with us.
Thanks
Tig
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https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7619/images/WORRG10_3083_3085-0271?pId=2792225
1871 census Eliza age 5 with John and Emma as parents.
Sorry, will look to see if it is on IGI
Added:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YT-8C9
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There is a marriage for a John Andrews and Emma Rose in Stourbridge in 1863, and a birth for an Eliza in Kings Norton in 1866.
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Also a Jane in 1869, same area and mmn.
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1871 ?
RG10; Piece: 3084; Folio: 91; Page: 32
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Eliza birth 1866 s Kings Norton
Emma 1864 s Kings Norton
Both MMN Rose
Fits in with 1871 census I believe and marriage submitted by Chempat
Louisa Maud
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This might be 1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-CG6S
Added: John, Thomas, (George) Edward and James have mmn Rose on GRO.
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Bapt:
Apr. 28 1867 at Bartley Green Chapel (Northfield)
Add. Woodgate.
Parents John occ: nailor & Emma.
Fits the 1881 census above.
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Thank you all so very much. I can try to work back from John and Emma now.
Any further information welcome!
Tig
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A possible for John Andrews 1851: Halesowen.
Edward Andrews 72 nailor
Mary Andrews 42 dau.
Edward Andrews 34 son. widr.
William Andrews 21
Amelia Andrews 14
David Andrews 13
Maria Andrews 11
Thomas Andrews 9
Fanny Andrews 6
Matilda Andrews 2
Harriett Andrews 10
John Andrews 7
George Andrews 14
All the others are Grandchildren.
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To work back from John and Emma you really need to get the marriage certificate to confirm their father's names, occupations and ages.
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Marr:
St. John the Baptist Halesowen. 25/12/1863.
Father's name Edward
Occ: Labourer.
Her father is William Rose.
Edward married Eliza Josephs 1836.
Widower in 1851.
See above census.
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Brilliant, thank you so much.
Tig
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No sighting of John in 1861.
His Bapt:
31/3/1844 St. Michael's Bartley Green.
This is Edward in 1861, Lapal Halesowen:
Mary Andrews 53
William Andrews 28
Amelia Shilrock 24 marr. dau.
David Andrews 20
Maria Andrews 18
Thomas Andrews 16
Fanny Andrews 14
Matilda Andrews 11 (no mmn.)
Dinah Andrews 8 (no mmn.)
Edward Andrews 46 boarder.
All the children are listed as sons & daughters of Mary.
The only children I can see registered to Edward & Eliza Joseph(s) are Harriet & John.
Eliza died in 1846.
See 1851 census.
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Has anyone noticed Rose family at the bottom of page on 1871 census as in-laws
Louisa Maud
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No, I hadn't.
Thomas Clay probably married Ann Rose in Stourbridge in 1856
Putting for tigtig
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YT-8C3
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Thank you so much for the further information. I now need to get it written up so I don't get confused.
Tig
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You are welcome
LM
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Just to round it off the family in 1841
Lapal Worcs.
Edward Andrew 60 nailor
Fanney Andrew 55
Harriet Andrew 35
Mary Andrew 30
William Andrew 12
John Andrew 8
Edward Andrew 6
David Andrew 3
Emma Andrew 10
Amelia Andrew 5
Mary Andrew 1
All born in County.
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Excellent - thanks again. I'm still trying to get it all sorted in my head - so many of the same name! So, just to summarise - Eliza is the daughter of John Andrews and Emma Rose (father William), John's parents are Edward Andrews born c1817 and Eliza (Joseph) and Edward's parents are another Edward born c1779 and Fanney - have I got that right?
Thanks for bearing with me.
Tig
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Yup.
I think this is the marriage:
St. Christopher's Frankley.
Nov. 9th. 1801
Edward Andrews = Frances Coley.
My Coley family came from here.
Could be related.
2 more for Edward & Fanny:
1802 John
1803 William
There may be others.
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Thanks again - this gives me a lot to work on.
Tig