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Title: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: Iain... on Monday 05 October 20 18:04 BST (UK)
Hi All… 
I am researching the exact birthplace of a certain Charles Brice McGregor.

If I have the birthdate (orphan - 24th June 1782 in 'Glasgow') and a baptism date, (19th of June 1827 in London) should I be able to find the names of the parents ? 

Thanks in advance…, Iain. 
Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: johnhood on Monday 05 October 20 18:31 BST (UK)
Iain, am I right in thinking you have a pretty comprehensive tree on Anc*. I f so I did notice you had his wife as Elizabeth McGheill. Have you seen the marriage image dated 2nd September 1805 at ST James Westminster between a Charles Brice McGregor and Elizabeth ROSS.

The baptism date you have given 19th June 1827 is that of  his daughter Elizabeth.

John
Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: JenB on Monday 05 October 20 18:52 BST (UK)
Iain, am I right in thinking you have a pretty comprehensive tree on Anc*. I f so I did notice you had his wife as Elizabeth McGheill. Have you seen the marriage image dated 2nd September 1805 at ST James Westminster between a Charles Brice McGregor and Elizabeth ROSS.

The baptism date you have given 19th June 1827 is that of  his daughter Elizabeth.

John

John, it seems Iain already has this information  :-\

I found another two children for Brice and Elizabeth, both baptised in London:
- Jane Elizabeth, baptised on the 20th of August 1814, father, Brice is recorded as a “serjt” in the “Guards”* and living at Tothill Street, Westminster.
- Elizabeth, baptised on the 19th of June 1827.   

Brice is a victualler and living in Whitehall.”


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Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: Iain... on Monday 05 October 20 19:03 BST (UK)
 Hi John..., thanks.

Forgive me..., you are certainly correct.  Blimey ! 
Yes, it's my tree and I’ll be publishing a book about him and his/my Regiment next month. (The Scots Guards at Waterloo) 
I have a friend who's working with a New Zealand film director for an update of the 1970 feature film, and because of it, Brice will certainly become a 'new-found' Scottish hero.  However, I'm nearly certain he wasn't born in Glasgow.  So, before 'going public,' I was doing a little research. 

How stupid of me !  With him being a Freemason, I linked the two and became 'delirious.'  Up every day at 04h00..., errors occur in the evenings !   
Lol..., sorry for that !   Thanks..., Iain.

..., off to bed !!   ;)

Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: Iain... on Monday 05 October 20 19:05 BST (UK)
Thank you Jen... 

'Victualler:'  In fact he was the Brigade 'publican' at the Horse Guards building. (where the two Household Cavalry Guards have their N°1 and 2 boxes)
The Tilt Yard being the target for several terrorist incidents.   
Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: johnhood on Monday 05 October 20 19:06 BST (UK)
Thanks JenB for making me aware of the previous post, does help not to waste time!

Just to add Iain, Frederick James McGregor had 5 children, you have missed Henry Brice b&d 1846 and Isabella Catherine 1853 Lambeth.

John
Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: Iain... on Monday 05 October 20 19:12 BST (UK)
Thanks JenB for making me aware of the previous post, does help not to waste time!

Just to add Iain, Frederick James McGregor had 5 children, you have missed Henry Brice b&d 1846 and Isabella Catherine 1853 Lambeth.

John
  Lol..., thanks John.  Frederick was a tobacconist..., not surprising that through the mist of musket smoke it had me squinting...   ;)
Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: johnhood on Monday 05 October 20 19:59 BST (UK)
Closure for Jane c1814

MCGREGOR, JANE       aged 25 
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST) IN THE COUNTY OF MIDDLE  Volume 02  Page 57

John
Title: Re: Baptised at the age of 45:
Post by: Iain... on Tuesday 06 October 20 08:49 BST (UK)
Thank you John…  I don’t merit your generosity.
I had someone in Scotland check out ‘Scotland’s People’ and he didn’t find a baptism for Brice.  This is what pushed me to believe he wasn’t baptised as a child/orphan and was pushed to get it done as an adult. 
Being a C/Sgt in HQ and rubbing shoulders with the Regimental Chaplin during the cremations, got me thinking. 

Brice (he never called himself Charles) is absolutely no relation…, I just created an Ancestry tree for him to help with my book.   
Also, researching his parents was done for two reasons.  I live near Waterloo and there are yearly events (except 2020) where descendants get together and share stories.  However, someone is missing out.  There’s an American who apparently has him as a 3xgr but simply doesn’t want to know.  Quite unusual for an American !   
Also, Glasgow has enough heroes and it bothers me that some small Argyllshire town is also missing out.   

Thanks everyone…