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Title: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Wednesday 07 October 20 13:38 BST (UK)
Hello

I am trying to learn more about the photo attached.  

I believe the photo shows Jeremiah Maloney, the step son of my great great great grandmother, Ann (nee Cox) who was married to my great great great grandfather Joseph Abram but who married William Maloney after Joseph's death.

I believe Jeremiah was born in 1872 but was married, living in Leicester aged 19 in 1891, boarding with William and Sarah Abrams and their children.

In 1901, a Jeremiah Maloney, living with Nora Maloney and her daughter is recorded in Middlesex, working as a porter. Jeremiah is recorded as Norah's son and he is now recorded as single.

A search of army records has located a Jeremiah Maloney, born 1871 (aged 31) in Northampton.  His service number is 6568, regiment is shown as the Northamptonshire regiment, attestation date 12 March 1902, attestation corps is 3rd Northamptonshire and the series reference is WO 06 - Militia Service Records 1806 - 1915.

Not sure where I go from here to learn more but if you are able to help. please let me know.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 07 October 20 14:03 BST (UK)
Fascinating photo. The headgear suggests an Indian army unit. The photo appears to be WW1 era, others may correct me but the tunic appears to be of the cheaper type introduced circa 1916.

Is there any clue as to where the photo was taken?
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Wednesday 07 October 20 14:19 BST (UK)
Thank you Shaun. I am trying to get further information about the photo from the relative who sent it to me. It looks as if it was taken in a studio, so if the photo was in a mount, that might have information on that. Or it may have been taken and sent as a postcard, so I have asked if there is a stamp, postmark or date. Jeremiah was I believe born in Northamptonshire and the badge on the turban is I believe from the Northamptonshire Regiment.  I understand that the Regimental Collection is held at Abington Park Museum, so I have asked them for help too. I will post back here, if I learn anything interesting.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 October 20 16:06 BST (UK)
Jeremiah was not Annís stepson - he was her son

Births
Jeremiah Cox Moloney  June qtr 1871 Northampton 3b 52. - mmn was Cox

William Moloney & Ann Abram married in 1869

Note surname on both records is Moloney - not Maloney

Their son Eugene Theobald Moloney was b 1877 - see family on 1881 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27C-33CP

Also this entry?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q5QL-FW96

The 1901 entry you quote was born Clerkenwell - not Northants

Jeremiah married Ellen Frost in 1889 in Leicester www.freebmd.org.uk
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 October 20 16:57 BST (UK)
Further children born to Jeremiah & Ellen in Leicestershire.  All as Maloney

1892 Beatrice Ellen
1894 Daisy Geraldine - died 1895
1896 Sidney Thomas Spencer

1901 Ellen is with her parents - Maud is Eva Maud from 1891 entry but donít know where Beatrice Alice is or Jeremiah

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS4G-W89

1911 Still no Jeremiah but Ellen shown as married

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X75N-HPF

Jeremiah died March qtr 1928 Leics aged 57
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 October 20 19:44 BST (UK)
Wonder if Jeremiah masqueraded as James in 1901 & 1911?   In 1891 he was a shoe finisher.

There is a James Maloney aged 29 b Grafton Underwood Northants in lodgings in Northants.  He is shown as a widower but his occ is shoe finisher.  Same profile in 1911

I have checked the 1881 & 1891 censuses but no match for a James with that profile and no marriage in Northants for a James Maloney
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Wednesday 07 October 20 21:05 BST (UK)
Hello Carole

Thank you for all the information above. I only said to my dad this morning that I wanted to go over the information again as the information about Middlesex and Norah did not seem right.  See foot of message.

Re 1901 and 1911, I have located a Jeremiah MALONEY as being a patient and an elastic weaver on the West Humberstone Municipal Ward, aged 29 born 1872. This could explain why he is not living with Ellen and his children?  It seems to be some sort of institution but I can't gather more than that. I am still drawing a blank with 1911 though. Wondering if he wasn't in the UK at this time?
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0020047503  

Information about elastic web manufacture in Leicester can be found at https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/leics/vol4/pp326-327.

Thank you once again, it is good to have someone to bounce thoughts and ideas off of.

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Jeremiah Cox MOLONEY, born 1871, quarter 2, Northampton
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1871%2F2%2FAZ%2F000478%2F272(Parents William and Ann married in 1869)

1881 census

Jeremiah MALONEY, aged 9 found at 12 Alpha Street, Northampton with parents William and Ann (nee Cox and previously Abram) and brothers Eugene, William and Johnhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1881%2F0007285634

1889

Jeremiah MALONEY married Ellen Frost in Leicester, marriage quarter 4. Ellen was born in Coventry.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FM%2F1889%2F4%2FAZ%2F000219%2F348 

1890

Eva Maud MALONEY, born in Leicester, birth quarter 1. Mothers maiden name is Frost.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1890%2F1%2FAZ%2F000371%2F014

1891 census

Jeremiah MALONEY, aged 19 found boarding at Luther Street, Leicester with wife Ellen (born 1867) and daughter Eva, at the home of William and Sarah Abrams (William was born in Earls Barton, where other Abram ancestors are known to have been born and lived)https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1891%2F0017436803

The following entries are believed to be the children of Jeremiah and Ellen.

1892

Beatrice Alice born in Leicester, birth quarter 2 .https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1892%2F2%2FAZ%2F000379%2F290

1894

Daisy Geraldine born in Leicester, birth quarter 2.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1894%2F2%2FAZ%2F000365%2F236

1895

Daisy Geraldine died in Leicester, death quarter 2.  
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FD%2F1895%2F2%2FAZ%2F000224%2F321

1896

Sidney Thomas Spencer, born in Leicester, birth quarter 3.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1896%2F3%2FAZ%2F000376%2F114 
(Lots of additional information about Sidney appears to be available).

1901 census

Ellen MALONEY, aged 34, living at 100 Cranmer Street, Leicester with daughter Maud aged 11, son, Sidney T, aged 4 and parents Thomas and Caroline Frost. Ellen is recorded as married but Jeremiah is not with her and the children.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0020104151  

1901

A Jeremiah MALONEY is recorded as being a patient and an elastic weaver on the West Humberstone Municipal Ward, aged 29 born 1872. Is this my Jeremiah and does it explain why hbe is not living with Ellen and his children?https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0020047503 

1911 census
Ellen MALONEY, aged 45, living at 88 Buckingham Street, Leicester with son, Sidney Thomas, aged 14 and mother Caroline Frost. Again, Ellen is recorded as married but Jeremiah is not with her and Thomas.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1911/RG14/19315/0445/2
1928Jeremiah MALONEY died in Leicester aged 57https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FD%2F1928%2F1%2FAZ%2F000668%2F075

1939
Ellen MALONEY, born 19 June 1866, living at 33 Hillary Place, Leicester in the Baker household with widow Eva M (daughter?), Joan and Gerald.  Ellen is now recorded as widowed.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA/R39/6030/6030H/021/25
1942Ellen MALONEY died aged 76, death quarter 4 in Leicester.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD/D/1942/4/AZ/000585/044


Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Wednesday 07 October 20 21:22 BST (UK)
And re the death of Jeremiah Maloney, the following information has been shared with me by Julie on Ancestry.

The Market Harbourer Advertiser of 19 December 1922 mentions a Jeremiah Maloney of Burton Latimer being drunk in Market Harborough on 28 November.

The Nottingham Journal of 9 Jan 1928 carries the attached report of his death.

I have attached the report of Jeremiah's death here.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 October 20 23:56 BST (UK)
Hi

I don't have a FindMyPast subscription so cannot open the link.  Nothing on Ancestry for him in Leics so could you post details of the 1901 piece/folio/page number so I can find him that way. 

Elastic weaver??   He was a shoe finisher in 1891 and also on the 1928 newspaper report

The 1901 census for West Humberstone shows a number of entries for people in the Leics Borough Lunatic Asylum but such patients are only identified by initials - not full names - and there is nothing for JM born Northants
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: JenB on Thursday 08 October 20 09:22 BST (UK)
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1901

A Jeremiah MALONEY is recorded as being a patient and an elastic weaver on the West Humberstone Municipal Ward, aged 29 born 1872. Is this my Jeremiah and does it explain why hbe is not living with Ellen and his children?https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0020047503

Following the link you give, there are no names on that page - only initials are given. The only elastic weavers on that page are 'J S ' aged 29 and 'W T' aged 28. Both are single.

Carole the reference is RG13/3001/127/21

Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Thursday 08 October 20 09:51 BST (UK)
Carole

You are right.  The Jeremiah Maloney I have found late yesterday was born in Leicester, not Northampton, so I think I am now looking at the possibility that Jeremiah and James are the same person.

1901
James Maloney, aged 29, a shoe finisher, boarding at Finedon Street, Burton Latimer, Kettering (although recorded as a widower and born in Grafton Underwood)
Archive reference: RG13
Piece number: 1446
Folio:   81
Page:   39

1911
James Maloney, aged 40, a boot and shoe finisher, boarding at Spencer St Burton Latimer N Kettering, Burton Latimer Northamptonshire, England (recorded as a widower)
Census reference: RG14PN8562 RG78PN443 RD167 SD1 ED4 SN380
RG78 code number: 443
Piece number: 8562

Obviously, I still have the photo of Jeremiah I have been given by my relative. I have been advised that the badge on his turban is that of the Northamptonshire Regiment.  This fits with the army service record details from 1902, between the above two census returns, that I have found for Jeremiah Maloney, service number 6568. 

I have taken another look at this, to see if anything fits with the two census returns above.  I am unable to read the address of residence or the employer name but the age and town of residence are a good fit.  The form seems to indicate this man has served in the military before but I don't understand what Reg by purchase means.

Will keep thinking on this.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 08 October 20 10:17 BST (UK)
The address on the 1902 attestation is 30 Cloutsham Street, Northampton. He's not there on the 1901 census.

I also note that he had previously served in the 4th Battalion of the Northamptonshire Regiment, and had bought himself out.

In September 1902 there is a note that he was discharged in South Africa.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 08 October 20 10:27 BST (UK)
The 1902 employer is written as Mr ?oballs - possibly this is Thomas Nobles, bootmaker, 18 Palmerston Road, Northampton. 
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Thursday 08 October 20 10:30 BST (UK)
Thank you Shaun. i could make out the 'ham' but not the 'Clouts'. And thank you for looking at the employer information too.

Ah, so 'by purchase' means he bout himself out.

I am unable to see the September 1902 note about South Africa.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 08 October 20 10:44 BST (UK)
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I am unable to see the September 1902 note about South Africa

It's on the third page
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 08 October 20 10:47 BST (UK)
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The 1902 employer is written as Mr ?oballs - possibly this is Thomas Nobles, bootmaker, 18 Palmerston Road, Northampton
.

It really looks more like "Mr Goballs". 
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Thursday 08 October 20 10:54 BST (UK)
I saw Mr Goballs too.  :)

I have page three of the document now also - thank you.

Embodied and disembodied are new terms to me. I have just been reading about their meaning at https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/106981-discharged-or-disembodied/ but different people seem to have different ideas on this.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 08 October 20 12:21 BST (UK)
What do the responses say to the questions re married/children.  Looks like Tfo??

Looking at your photo again - it looks like a much older man. 
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: JenB on Thursday 08 October 20 12:25 BST (UK)
What do the responses say to the questions re married/children.  Looks like Tfo??

Very idiosyncratic handwriting! It says 'No' (compare with the N of Northampton).
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: maybaby on Thursday 08 October 20 13:47 BST (UK)
I read a lot of the responses as Tfo including the question about marriage and children.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
Post by: JenB on Thursday 08 October 20 13:52 BST (UK)
I read a lot of the responses as Tfo including the question about marriage and children.

They all read 'No'. Check the 'N' on the word Northampton.