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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: llamedoso on Wednesday 07 October 20 17:36 BST (UK)
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Hello, My great uncle Frederick James Bond was born in Chadlington in Oxfordshire England on 12th February 1908.
He emigrated to Australia in 1925. He left on the ship Hobsons Bay. This departed on 21st March 1925
he was heading for Brisbane and his occupation was a Carter. He is down on the passenger list as Fred.J.Bond he was 16 years old. He sent a postcard home with a photo on his 21st birthday in 1929 and he was living in Cairns NSW.
After this we have no track of him. We can not find any information on him. Can anyone please help?
his parents were Joseph Bond and Polly Bond nee Ward.
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Hello, My great uncle Frederick James Bond was born in Chadlington in Oxfordshire England on 12th February 1908.
He emigrated to Australia in 1925. He left on the ship Hobsons Bay. This departed on 21st March 1925
he was heading for Brisbane and his occupation was a Carter. He is down on the passenger list as Fred.J.Bond he was 16 years old. He sent a postcard home with a photo on his 21st birthday in 1929 and he was living in Cairns NSW.
After this we have no track of him. We can not find any information on him. Can anyone please help?
his parents were Joseph Bond and Polly Bond nee Ward.
Hi,
Do you have a scan of that postcard? If so perhaps you could share a snip of the sentence mentioning Cairns NSW. Does it have a street address? Cairns would usually refer to Cairns in Far North Queensland. There is a town in regional NSW ... Culcairn.
JM
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Hi Majm,
Thank you for the reply. I can not scan in the original tonight. I have in my notes: Charles Street, Cairns, N Queensland.
You were right it is Queensland and not NSW. I was going by memory.
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Hi there is a Frederick James BOND who died in Tighes Hill NSW 1985 aged 77 yrs
Details from NSW BDM BOND FREDERICK JAMES 109893/1985 DIED NEWCASTLE 077
there are no parents recorded on NSW Death Index so I dont know if it is your fellow
find a grave has a
Frederick Bond BIRTH 1908 DEATH 4 Dec 1985 (aged 76–77)
Newcastle Memorial Park Beresfield, Newcastle City, New South Wales, Australia
from Ancestry Elect Rolls looks like this chap was a minister of religion and had a wife Isobel Deborah, there is a marriage NSW BDM index in 1962
13412/1962 BOND FREDERICK JAMES NIPPER ISOBEL DEBORAH married at HAMILTON a suburb of Newcastle
I have no idea if it your fellow, good luck with the search
Cass
added looks like Isobel is buried with first husband George Nipper in the Sandgate Cemetery
http://sandgate.northerncemeteries.com.au/index.php/search-our-virtual-records/conduct-a-search
Isabel Deborah Bond buried 15.9.1978
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Thank you. This is a lot to look into. How can I find out if and how many Frederick James Bond were born in Australia in 1908? I am wondering if I can track them then I can eliminate them from my search?
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"Re: Frederick James BOND
Frederick Bond BIRTH 1908 DEATH 4 Dec 1985 (aged 76–77)
Newcastle Memorial Park Beresfield, Newcastle City, New South Wales, Australia
from Ancestry Elect Rolls looks like this chap was a minister of religion and had a wife Isobel Deborah, there is a marriage NSW BDM index in 1962"
I'm not sure that this man as quoted above is your Frederick James Bond. To be a minister of religion he would probably need a university degree in Theology which although possible doesn't really fit with a young lad who emigrates on his own. Also he marries at age 54.. not unheard of but less common.
Australian records are by state and not national ( as in UK) so it takes a lot more searching to trace a person who could have moved to any state other than Queensland. And privacy laws mean that there are restrictions on the records available.
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Thank you for that information. So as he could have literally moved anywhere for work it could be impossible to track him. I know he was headed for Brisbane when he travelled to Australia and then made his way to queensland. But who knows if he stayed there? He came from a farming background so probably just went where there was work.
My mum is 85 and she has always wondered what happened to her uncle. I fear I may never find out.
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He could have moved to any state for work which makes the task harder but not impossible.
I have checked the newspapers available on www.trove.nl.gov.au which is a free resource but his name doesn't appear even as Frederick Bond. I also thought he may have enlisted in WW2 but nothing there in the Archives.
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Hi,
The information on a NSW Marriage certificate (or on the less expensive official transcription) includes information provided by the bride and groom about themselves and about their parents.
So for around $Au20 you could learn what info a minister of religion provided about himself and his parentage when marrying in 1962. Cass has kindly provided the reference details for that marriage. It would be a way of learning if that chap was your elusive chap. The questions include the name including maiden surname of the groom's mum, his own place of birth, age, occupation, usual address, and are of course given by him, first hand. The info on an official transcription is same as on an official certificate.
There are eight jurisdictions that are the federation of Australia. Each has their own bdm system, just like the United Kingdom where for example Scotland has its own bdm separate from the England and Wales GRO.
JM
"Re: Frederick James BOND
Frederick Bond BIRTH 1908 DEATH 4 Dec 1985 (aged 76–77)
Newcastle Memorial Park Beresfield, Newcastle City, New South Wales, Australia
from Ancestry Elect Rolls looks like this chap was a minister of religion and had a wife Isobel Deborah, there is a marriage NSW BDM index in 1962"
I'm not sure that this man as quoted above is your Frederick James Bond. To be a minister of religion he would probably need a university degree in Theology which although possible doesn't really fit with a young lad who emigrates on his own. Also he marries at age 54.. not unheard of but less common.
Australian records are by state and not national ( as in UK) so it takes a lot more searching to trace a person who could have moved to any state other than Queensland. And privacy laws mean that there are restrictions on the records available.
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All of this has been helpful. At least I know now that I could maybe order a certificate or 2 to rule that person out.
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The 1911 UK census (on Ancestry.com.au) has the family as follows:
Joseph Bond occ. Carter on farm/labourer
Polly Bond wife
George Bond
Frederick Bond.
Plus mother in law. Living in 4 rooms.
(This is not the family of a son who goes to University to be a Minister of religion surely in Queensland ?)
Also Polly Bond died 1919 : ref Bond Polly 41 Chipping N. 3a 1682
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The 1911 UK census (on Ancestry.com.au) has the family as follows:
Joseph Bond occ. Carter on farm/labourer
Polly Bond wife
George Bond
Frederick Bond.
Plus mother in law. Living in 4 rooms.
(This is not the family of a son who goes to University to be a Minister of religion surely in Queensland ?)
Also Polly Bond died 1919 : ref Bond Polly 41 Chipping N. 3a 1682
Hi
I was not aware that RChat had changed its rule about the 1911 census. What reference number for that please.
JM
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This is the ship's record/documents of the Hobson's Bay which sailed on 31 March 1925
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=414127
It has a break-down of the immigrants according to which scheme they were part of and which state they were travelling to.
For Queensland it has : (p23)
Nominees 10 cases 21 souls
Farm apprentices 18
Church Army nominated farm labourers 9
Unfortunately I can't see a list of names corresponding to these schemes for Queensland.
Ros
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Frederick is on page 17 as a Church Army nominated farm learner.
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra :) I thought he should be there - checked twice - but very poor eyesight :(
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If this is the same person he wasn't an ordained minister.
Answering Mr. McElroy, Bond said that he was not a registered minister. He was "ordained by the scriptures of the gospel."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98587160
Debra :)
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Hobsons Bay, departure from London, 21 March 1925
3rd class passage
Ticket 12877 is for Fred. J BOND, last UK address recorded as: Daisy Bank, Chadlington, Nr Charlbury. He was contracted to land at Brisbane (as in the capital city of Queensland). He was aged 16 and a Carter.
Hobsons Bay, incoming passenger list as at Fremantle 1 May 1925 (ie the first port of call on the Australian continent). Page 7 of 7 is for a ‘List of Oversea Passengers Landing at Brisbane.
The list is in alpha by surname order.
BOND Fred (no other info displayed for him or any of the other passengers)
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/PassengerSearch.aspx enter barcode 12260874
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/heritage/archives The index has Frederick James BOND per Hobsons Bay 1925.
https://www.data.qld.gov.au/dataset/immigration-1922-to-1940/resource/4ec2d8c1-da1d-496e-b244-ff34973f4834
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemDetails.aspx?ItemId=18761 At that link you can request a digital copy or you can request to view in the Reading Room at the State Archives of Queensland. ( item details : Queensland State Archives, Item ID ITM18761)
A Fred J BOND’s death was registered at Granville NSW in 1933. (Add, not your chap, as he was noted as aged 66 on the NSW BDM online index).
There is also a Fred J BOND as a letter writer to the editor of the Northern Star, Lismore NSW from around 1932 to around 1946. https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers
By around 1949 George Robert and Isabel Deborah NIPPER were both listed as at 9 Mitchell St, Tighes Hill. In 1958 the electoral roll for Wickham has Isabel Deborah NIPPER still at that address, and also at that address was Frederick James BOND, a minister of the gspl. (gspl would be abbreviation for gospel). It was not unusual for lay members of the various protestant denominations to find local families to provide board and lodging for their pastors, who often may have needed to find part time secular work to provide for their daily living expenses. In the 1950s in NSW there were severe housing shortages in urban areas.
JM
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Just found on TROVE https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98974359
Northern Star 15.8.1942 page 4, Frederick James Booth a market gardener regarding Exception to Military training due to religious beliefs. He stated that he was Born in a British Country, I wonder if that means he was born in Britain
Cass
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;D So that chap found by Cass was a British Subject, by birth. Until 1949 there was no 'citizenship' for anyone born in anywhere in Australia (or the other British dominions), you were automatically a British Subject.
:) https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/0910/AustCitizenship
JM
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The 1911 UK census (on Ancestry.com.au) has the family as follows:
Joseph Bond occ. Carter on farm/labourer
Polly Bond wife
George Bond
Frederick Bond.
Plus mother in law. Living in 4 rooms.
(This is not the family of a son who goes to University to be a Minister of religion surely in Queensland ?)
Also Polly Bond died 1919 : ref Bond Polly 41 Chipping N. 3a 1682
You are correct that he came from very humble background. His Mum Polly died alongside his grandma in 1919 from the Spanish Flu. My Great grandad had to raise his 2 sons on his own whilst working on a farm so I agree that he would not have gone onto University to become a minister.
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Is there any way of finding out any more information about Frederick going as a Church Army Farm Labourer??
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The 1911 UK census (on Ancestry.com.au) has the family as follows:
Joseph Bond occ. Carter on farm/labourer
Polly Bond wife
George Bond
Frederick Bond.
Plus mother in law. Living in 4 rooms.
(This is not the family of a son who goes to University to be a Minister of religion surely in Queensland ?)
Also Polly Bond died 1919 : ref Bond Polly 41 Chipping N. 3a 1682
You are correct that he came from very humble background. His Mum Polly died alongside his grandma in 1919 from the Spanish Flu. My Great grandad had to raise his 2 sons on his own whilst working on a farm so I agree that he would not have gone onto University to become a minister.
There was no requirement to be a graduate of any University to be eligible to state their occupation as 'minister of the gospel' when enrolling to vote at NSW elections. Dundee at reply #15 has found a possible explanation. :)
Re Is there any way of finding out any more information about Frederick going as a Church Army Farm Labourer??
Church Army Migration Schemes and many other Charties operated out of Britain sending participants to the British Empire's Dominions. Google may well be a good starting point. The Australian Joint Copying Project may also be helpful, and the online website for the National Archives of Australia has a full section on Immigration.
As Fred's last permanent address was displayed on his departure records as Daisy Bank .... etc (reply # 16 ) perhaps a post on the relevant English county re Church Army activities circa 1925 may be useful.
Which country are you based in?
JM
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The Queensland State Archives may have a copy of his application and list of where he was placed.
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/items/ITM861862
They can be contacted for help https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/arts/heritage/archives/contacts
Ros
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Hi JM,
Thank you for the above information. I am based in Devon in England. Some of my relatives still live in Oxfordshire.
I am trying to navigate the Australian national archive website but I am finding it difficult to understand what I can view.
llamedoso
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A photo of some of the church army farm lads who arrived in Brisbane on the Hobsons Bay
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article20959908
A little info about the scheme http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article180064882
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article152223812
Ros
adding : whoops sorry the photo is from September 1925 - a later arrival
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I have looked through my notes and my cousin's notes who spoke to my grandmother about my great Uncle.
In the notes it shows he was going to go to Australia with a friend but he failed the medical test.
Fred.J had to pay £8 and work his passage and it took 6 weeks. He was last contacted in 1941 when his dad died. (I do not know who contacted him or if he replied) In 1961 at a family party my grandparents were told that Fred was possibly dead and that the salvation Army had tried to track him down but was unsuccessful.