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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dunbartonshire => Topic started by: bfr89x on Thursday 08 October 20 05:05 BST (UK)
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My brother was recently buried in the 'family plot' in Kilmaronock churchyard. After the funeral the family discovered that the plot was full while all the time we thought there should be one space remaining. There are two graves 81 and 82 and five burials. Unbeknown to all of us there was a sixth according to the Dunbarton 'graves department' - one Thomasina Edmond who died in 1918. Of the 38 Thomasinas who died in Scotland in 1918 none of them was an Edmond or died in Kilmaronock.
What am I missing and where should I go next?
All help greatly appreciated.
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There is a death for a Jeanie Muirhead(age 71) , 1918 , Kilmaronock Dunbarton , who was married to a Thomas Edmond.
Can't so far see anything to indicate that Jeanie was ever known as Thomasina :-\
ev
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She may have been buried with her maiden name which was traditional then.
Have you looked for a marriage of a Thomasina to see if it links with someone in your tree ?
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Jeanie is one of mine her husband Thomas was a son of James/Janet Paterson and they were at Balfron.
Don
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Thank you Don and ev,
Jeanie is also in my mix, her father William Muirhead is my 2g grandfather and grandfather of the Williamina in the grave! Thomas was a different Edmond although well known to my forebears.
Thankyou Oldfashioned girl, I will try the wedding search although as the burial was 1918 I would be surprised if the tradition of using a maiden name was still prevalent.
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Which of the people named is buried in plot 81?
Which of the people named is buried in plot 82?
When was the headstone put in place?.
".. Dunbarton 'graves department' - one Thomasina Edmond who died in 1918."
Can you please give the exact record entry relating to Thomasina.
Have you sighted this graves department record?
Does it give no clue to the month or day?.
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Good questions wivenhoe.
According to my local source who was also the person that spoke to the Dunbarton 'graves department' Thomasina, Norman and Helen are buried in 81 and George, Wilhelmina and NG Buchanan are in 82.
You will gather from that I never spoke to the department and all my local source could glean was the above.
Maybe I should attempt to find out where the graves department is and email them a request.
Thank you for your help.
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I can't be sure when the headstone was put in place but I would guess sometime between 1955 and 1970. That is after Wilhelmina and before Norman, but I am guessing!
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Following oldfashionedgirl's recommendation I checked all births, marriages and deaths for a Thomasina with no success.
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I think your best bet would be to email or phone them yourself. They will be able to tell you the exact details including who instructed the burial of Thomasina. If you explain who you are in relation to those in the lair and that you are a genealogist and can find no connection to the 6th person.
There’s a small chance it could be an admin error in the records.
Good luck, keep us posted.
I grew up near there in Drymen, I have been to several weddings and funerals in that church. Most importantly though I really fancied the ministers son when I was a teenager ;D
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Thanks again oldfashioned girl, I have sent a long email to the graves department.
I also grew up in the district, born and raised in Croftamie but don't remember a minister's son!
Regards,
bfr89x
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Morning bfr89x
There is something VERY strange about Thomasina Edmond, so strangethat she doesn't seem to exist in Scotland ?? ???
I put a search for her using the wild card, Thomasin* Edmon* on the first page of Scotlands People.
This should bring up all spelling variants for all records on the site. You can do this without using any credits.
None of the small amount of results fit in with what you were told.
There is a Thomasina Edmond'stone' but she is not in the right area in any record or dying at the said time.
My thoughts on this very intriguing matter are
1. The info you were told is mistakenly wrong.
2. She was born, brought up and died outwith Scotland but for some unknown reason is buried in your family plot ??
Can't wait for the next instalment ;)
OFG
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I too am all agog, having searched unsuccessfully for Th*s*na Ed*m*d on SP and FreeBMD.
There is a death of a Thomas W Edmond, aged 40, in Sculcoates in the June quarter of 1918. Is it conceivable that Thomas W has been misread as Thomasina? But even if it is, he appears to have no connections to Kilmaronock: born in Driffield, Yorkshire, in 1877, parents Thomas Edmond and Emily Featherston(e).
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Nothing appears in the newspapers in 1918 for a Thomasina Edmond(s)/ Edmund(s) or a Thomas.
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Thank you all. The plot thickens. I will post the Council response as soon as it comes to hand but as the office is currently closed and all enquiries are being answered via the website I didn't expect a quick reply.
On a brighter note I managed to track down OFG's minister's son, all the girls in the neighbourhood seemingly felt the same way!!
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;D
I always knew I never stood a chance !
I had a thought, in the middle of the night as I often do, could Thomasina Edmond have been a stillborn child ?
That would explain why there were no records pertaining to her.
The still born register didn’t begin in Scotland until 1939 and these things weren’t talked about in those times.
To be given the name Thomasina suggests that she was named after her farther or grandfather ??
How popular would her name have been at that time ?
Could this be a possibility?
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It's a very reasonable idea, though I have yet to see a record of the burial of a stillborn child with a given name.
If that is the case I'd have thought the burial record would say it was a stillborn child.
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Problem solved and thank you to all who contributed. The person buried in the plot was Mrs Thomas Edmond, no Thomasinas here. She was a Muirhead and a sister to both my maternal great grandfather and great grandmother. Marrying first cousins!!!
I did however learn another piece of interesting information of a more general nature - it is a LAIR not a LAYER.
Regards,
Ron
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Local lairds there were the Edmistones of Duntreath?
Skoosh.
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Thanks for updating us Ron, mystery solved ;)
I wonder why her name wasn't put on the headstone and why if she was a Mrs. she wasn't buried with her husband ?
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Hi Skoosh, are you absolutely sure about this? I would have thought there were several other lairds a lot closer to Kilmaronock than Blanefield.
Hi OFG, two very good points, I may try and follow this further.
Ron
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@ Ron, no doubt there were but it was an Edmonstone who was shacking up with the king & you don't get any more prominent than that! ;D
Skoosh.
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Having satisfied myself as to who was in the grave I then went a-hunting for her spouse - Thomas Edmond, born 1844, married 1878 and then disappeared. I have tried all the normal BMD in the UK and the emigration records and have found no trace of Thomas.
Is there somewhere else that you experienced genealogists know of that I could search?
Thanks for your patience.
Ron