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Title: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Gillg on Thursday 08 October 20 14:45 BST (UK)
Henry Wilkinson was born in Layham, Suffolk 1870.  He seems to have moved around the country quite a bit and married Lucy Ashmore in Rotherham, Yorks in 1891.  In the 1891 census he and Lucy are in Harrison Street, Kimberworth, Yorks together with a clutch of children:

William Howard Litemore 11
Arthur Litemore 9
Florence May Litemore 3
all born Staffs.

These are clearly not children of Henry and Lucy, although they are named as sons and daughters on the census return.  I can't find their births registered either, though there is a Lily Lucy Luxton born June Q 1895 in West Ham! (no William Howard of either surname)  Who are they, that they should be living with this newly wed couple?

Henry married for a second time, this time to Jane Guest in 1896 in Rotherham.  But when did first wife Lucy die?  If I search for deaths with that name between 1891 (H & L's marriage) and 1896 ( H & J's marriage I can only find a Lucy Wilkinson who died in 1895 in Rotherham aged 38.  Our Lucy would have been 25 in that year unless she was fibbing on the 1891 census.  Also I believe that Henry and Lucy had one or two children together.

By 1901 Henry and Jane had moved to West Drayton, Middx., where they spent the rest of their lives, along with their 14 children.  (The last ones were twins - poor mother!

Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 08 October 20 14:51 BST (UK)
Lucy Ashmore was a 30 year old widow when she married in 1891 - father Joseph Cutts a Fork Grinder.
Witnesses Thomas Cooper & Annie Cutts.
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 08 October 20 14:54 BST (UK)
Lucy Cutts age 21 married Howard Ashmore age 20 on 27 October 1879 at  Burton on Trent
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 08 October 20 14:59 BST (UK)
2 children to start with from Lucy's first marriage

ASHMORE, ARTHUR       CUTTS 
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 388
   ASHMORE, WILLIAM  HOWARD     CUTTS 
GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 386

John
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 08 October 20 15:00 BST (UK)
and the third

ASHMORE, FLORENCE  MAY     CUTTS 
GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in LICHFIELD  Volume 06B  Page 444

John
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 08 October 20 15:03 BST (UK)
A 4th who who may have died

ASHMORE, LUCY  LILIAN     CUTTS 
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in LICHFIELD  Volume 06B  Page 447
 
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Pheno on Thursday 08 October 20 15:03 BST (UK)


William Howard Litemore 11
Arthur Litemore 9
Florence May Litemore 3
all born Staffs.

These are clearly not children of Henry and Lucy, although they are named as sons and daughters on the census return.  I can't find their births registered either, though there is a Lily Lucy Luxton born June Q 1895 in West Ham! (no William Howard of either surname)  Who are they, that they should be living with this newly wed couple?ast ones were twins - poor mother!

These children are all registered as Ashmore with mmn Cutts, so they are Lucy's children from her first marriage.
Pheno

Added:  Sorry John crossed with your post
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: philipsearching on Thursday 08 October 20 15:04 BST (UK)
Lucy Cutts age 21 married Howard Ashmore age 20 on 27 October 1879 at  Burton on Trent

Death registration (found on FreeBMD)
Mar qtr 1890 Lichfield vol 6b p332 ASHMORE Howard age 30

Philip
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Pheno on Thursday 08 October 20 15:11 BST (UK)
The death registration for Lucy Wilkinson, Rotherham in 1895 that you found more or less fits with Rosie's info that she was a 30 year old widow on marriage to Henry in 1891.  Remember that deaths are the least reliable info as the actual person is not able to provide any information.

I would think this is the correct death.

Pheno
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 08 October 20 15:14 BST (UK)
Yes rosies inspired finds made this very easy. Lucy born c1858 at first marriage, so death age 38 in 1895 fits very well.

Deaths Sep 1895   (>99%)
Wilkinson    Lucy    38    Rotherham    9c   459

John
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: JenB on Thursday 08 October 20 15:24 BST (UK)
William Howard Litemore 11
Arthur Litemore 9
Florence May Litemore 3
all born Staffs.

If you look closely at the original it says Ashmore. The enumerator writes the letter 'A' with an extremely long cross- stroke, which makes you think that the third letter is a 't' when it's actually an 'h'.
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: arthurk on Thursday 08 October 20 15:26 BST (UK)
Also re 1891 census: Lucy's age has an enumerator's mark through it. On a quick look it might be 21, but the first digit is more like Florence May's 3 than the 2 in Henry Ernest's 21, making her 31.
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 08 October 20 15:28 BST (UK)
William Howard Litemore 11
Arthur Litemore 9
Florence May Litemore 3
all born Staffs.

The name on the census is Ashmore, not Litemore.

Lily Lucy Luxton born June Q 1895 in West Ham!

You left one out of the 1891 census transcript which makes posting that birth seem a bit random. Lily Lucy Ashmore, aged 5, born Lichfield.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 08 October 20 15:29 BST (UK)
The gro has quite a few Wilkinson/Cutts births between 1891-1896 and beyond so need to be careful.

John
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 08 October 20 15:40 BST (UK)
Laura the daughter in 1901 census aged 9 was a child of Henry & Lucy but when registered mmn given as Ashmore not Cutts

WILKINSON, LAURA       ASHMORE 
GRO Reference: 1891  D Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 726

john
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: philipsearching on Thursday 08 October 20 15:49 BST (UK)
Trying to identify Lucy, Rootschatters have found:
1879 Marriage to Howard Ashmore age 21
1891 Marriage to Henry Wilkinson age 30
1891 Census - age 21? or 31
1895 Death age 38

which gives a birth range c1857-61

She is on the 1881 Census (found on FamilySearch):
RG11/2767/75 p20 - Winshill, Derbyshire
Howard ASHMORE, head, 20, Brewer's labourer, born Swadlincote
Lucy ASHMORE, wife, 22, born York
William H ASHMORE, son, 1, born Burton, Staffs


The marriage record found by rosie99 names her father as Joseph, a fork grinder.  This gives us a family on the 1861 Census (found on FamilySearch):
RG09/3457/60 p36 - Oaks Fold, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
Joseph CUTTS, head, 42, Table fork grinder, born Sheffield
Phebe CUTTS, wife, 38, born Shire Green, Yorkshire
with children all born in Shire Green:
William 14, Sarah 12, Mary 9, Emma 5, Lucy Ann 2.


So, her birth would be (found on GRO):
Mar qtr 1859 Wortley & Penistone vol 9c p180 CUTTS Lucy Ann, mmn PLATTS
which could fit with a marriage (from FreeBMD)
Jun qtr 1841 Rotherham vol 22 p336 CUTTS Joseph on same page as PLATTS Phoebe.

Philip
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Gillg on Thursday 08 October 20 15:55 BST (UK)
This is amazing and explains everything!  Thank you so much, everyone.  I was taking the spelling Litemore from the 1891 on Family Search and it had clearly been mistranscribed in that version.  I imagine the census enumerator must have assumed that Lucy was a similar age to her husband when he put her age as 21.  Quite something for Henry to take on four children at the age of 21 and then lose his new(-ish) wife.  No wonder he married again so quickly. 

Just seen that new replies have flashed up.  Thank you again.
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: JenB on Thursday 08 October 20 16:09 BST (UK)
I imagine the census enumerator must have assumed that Lucy was a similar age to her husband when he put her age as 21.

The enumerator would have copied what had been written on the household schedule.

As Arthur said in reply #11 there is a line through her age and it could very well read 31 rather than 21.
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: johnhood on Thursday 08 October 20 16:09 BST (UK)
Looking very closely at 1891 census I believe her age to be 31.

Looking at the 1901 census Henry & Jane are living a couple of doors away from his parents Henry & Esther with a grandson.

John
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Gillg on Thursday 08 October 20 16:41 BST (UK)
I know that Laura Wilkinson born 1891 was the daughter of Henry and Lucy, but I thought that there was another child for them.  Can anyone please find him/her and complete the picture?
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Gillg on Thursday 08 October 20 17:16 BST (UK)
I can't help smiling at the name of Lucy's father, Joseph Cutts, whose profession was Knife Grinder! Sounds like a character from Happy Families. ;D
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 08 October 20 17:22 BST (UK)
I know that Laura Wilkinson born 1891 was the daughter of Henry and Lucy, but I thought that there was another child for them.  Can anyone please find him/her and complete the picture?

Have you looked on the GRO index where it shows mothers maiden surnames as that is where we would be searching  :-\
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Title: Re: Henry, Lucy & Jane Wilkinson 1891 mystery
Post by: Gillg on Thursday 08 October 20 18:50 BST (UK)
Thanks Rosie.  I'll try that, but have to register/login and if I ever had a password, I've forgotten it, so the site tells me that it may take time for me to get a reply.  I'll wait and see. :)