RootsChat.Com

England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Yorkshire (West Riding) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kit54 on Saturday 10 October 20 17:54 BST (UK)

Title: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Saturday 10 October 20 17:54 BST (UK)
Please can anyone help?
I know that Margaret Titterington was born about 1776, Clapham. But there are 2 possible baptisms:
1. on 10/6/1775 with father: Robert
2. on 15/2/1776 with father: Robert
Please is there anyone in a position to look up these baptisms in the parish register, to see if there is any more detail, which might enable me to see which was the correct one?
Thanks,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 10 October 20 17:56 BST (UK)
Kit -- have you searched for marriages for Robert? Were there 2?

Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 10 October 20 18:04 BST (UK)
The Margaret baptised in 1775 - Robert was shown as of Keasden Lane.

In 1776 Robert was of Borrow Read.

(If I am reading the place names correctly).
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 10 October 20 18:35 BST (UK)
There are at least the following children baptised at Clapham to a Robert Titterington;

1766 Ann - Reasdon Lane
1769 Mary - Green Gill
1778 Richard - Lankland??
1778 Robert - Reasdon Lane
1783 Richard - Reasdon Lane

This seems really odd, as there are such gaps. There may be others though, whom I have missed. If you find a marriage the girls names may help, as one of them may be named after the mother.
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 10 October 20 18:42 BST (UK)
A Robert Titterington, Farmer of Reardon or Keasdon died aged 73 of Infirmity on July 31 1806. Buried at Clapham.

So where I have shown Reardon - could be Keasdon!
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Saturday 10 October 20 19:40 BST (UK)
Hi Pennines,
Thanks very much for your kind help and wonderful data.
I'm really hampered on this as A*try does not have the parish records for Clapham or the surrounding parishes.
According to Trees, there were 2 marriages for a Robert Titterington, both in Clapham:
1. on 5/11/1757 to Agnes Hardy  and
2. on 1/4/1775 to Mary Thistlewhaite
The trouble is is that both produced Margaret born about 1776!
And you're right, the name is Keasden (Lane)! But, as yet, I haven't been able to find Borrow Read.
Thanks again, you've been brilliant!
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 10 October 20 19:55 BST (UK)
Kit - I've been finding the Clapham registers (filmed copies) on Find My Past actually.

On the face of it -- one Robert lived at Keasden for years, whilst if there was only one more Robert - he moved about!

Unless anyone comes up with something beforehand - I will do more exploring of the Clapham records tomorrow.

(If you know Margaret's married name - and a Robert left a Will - she may be named in it under her married name - just a thought). We know one Robert's death year so that's something else I can check tomorrow if not found beforehand.
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Mckha489 on Saturday 10 October 20 20:38 BST (UK)
Quote
haven't been able to find Borrow Read.

Think this is Borran Head, as in this burial*,  but I still canít find it in reality.

* was going to attach a screen shot, but this is a look up board. You will have to take my word for it  ;D
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 11 October 20 13:54 BST (UK)
Kit - I'm afraid I haven't done very well on my Titteringtons of Clapham hunt.

I cannot find a Will for a Robert Titterington (although that doesn't mean to say there wasn't one!)

1733 There was a baptism of a Robert Titterington, son of John of Keasdon.

The only marriage in the middle of the 1700s at Clapham was 9.11.1757 between a Robert Titterington and Agnes Hardy. Robert shown as a Webster.

Baptisms then started with a father Robert - in 1758 with a John, son of Robert of Keasdon, Weaver.
Then several more in the Clapham Registers but with Roberts from different locations.

I am hoping I have picked them all up this time!

1760 William of Birks - father Robert, a Weaver.
1763 Agnes of Birks
1766 Ann of Keasdon Lane
1769 Mary of Green Gill
1775 Margaret of Keasdon
1776 Margaret of Borran Head
1778 Richard of Lanckland??
1778 Robert of Keasdon
1780 Betty of Keasdon
1783 Richard of Keasdon
1786 Robert of Eldroth Lane
1788 Christopher of Middlebar
1790 Mary of Austwick

(The father was Robert in all cases with no mother's name shown)

Burials

1784 Agnes wife of John.
1816 Nanny of Keasdon aged 81

(In addition to the Robert given in a previous message).

So I am completely stuck and frustrated -- as I am sure you must be. I am so sorry not to be able to help -- I do hope someone 'brighter' than me can assist.






Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Sunday 11 October 20 20:04 BST (UK)
Bless you Pennines and Mckha 489 for your wonderful help - you really have done a tremendous amount to help me, and I'm so grateful.
Pennines - I disagree with you! - you have done BRILLIANTLY with the Titteringtons of Clapham hunt. I'm still trying to fathom out some of the data - I need to go and have another look at maps to see if I can get my head around some of these place names, as I think this might help.
What I do know is that "my" Margaret never married; but I think that she had the 4 following children, (GOSH!), all baptised in Clapham:
Ann bap on 2/10/1797
Robert bap on 20/3/1803
Elizabeth bap 31/12/1814
John bap 27/8/1820.
Please, may I suggest, (if you are of course willing), that if you could look up these 4 baptisms, to see if there is any more detail, especially the abode, as this might give an indication as to which Margaret is the right one?
Thanks,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Mckha489 on Sunday 11 October 20 20:16 BST (UK)
Ann illegitimate daughter of Margaret Titterington of Keasdon
Robert.   Of Keasdon Lane

Sorry Iíve just. Noticed the time. I have to go out. I will fill in later if no one else does
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 11 October 20 20:43 BST (UK)
Ooh I wonder if Mckha is off to the pub!!

Just to carry on from where he was up to;

Elizabeth 1814 daughter of Margaret Titterington of Keasdon, Spinster.

John 1820 son of Margaret Titterington of NEWBY? Spinster.

(I am really pleased it looks like the Keasdon one as we seem to have found the father, Robert's death and his age - which gave us his baptism with a father John!)
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Sunday 11 October 20 20:55 BST (UK)
Bless you both once more!
I'm fairly sure now, thanks entirely to yourselves, that "my" Margaret was the one baptised on 10/6/1775, which is great. WHHOOPPPEEE!
Please, one final thing, can you tell me if there is any more info with Robert's baptism (20/3/1803) ie does it give any information on Margaret's status?
Sorry for any trouble,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 11 October 20 21:35 BST (UK)
Kit -it's been an absolute pleasure that we have found who seems to be the correct Margaret.

Believe me when I say - I feel worse not findinfg something for someone else, than I do not finding something for myself.

For Robert born 1803 the entry reads;

Robert Titterington, illegitimate son of Margaret Titterington of Keasdon Lane. Born 19 February 1803. Baptised 20 March 1803.

(I had a teacher at Senior School in Lancashire named E.Titterington -a male - B.A.Bristol.)

Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Calverley Lad on Sunday 11 October 20 21:42 BST (UK)
Kit: Did any of your family have connections to Kildwick?
Just that the name Titterington has come up on another website for Wharfedale.
 Brian
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Mckha489 on Monday 12 October 20 01:06 BST (UK)
Quote
Ooh I wonder if Mckha is off to the pub!!

Exercise class!


This search (mainly done by Pennines, I can take little credit) was a good example of how extending the search slightly (at the OPís suggestion ) solved the problem.

Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Monday 12 October 20 17:11 BST (UK)
Hi Pennines, Brian and Mckha489,
Bless you all once again. You are all such lovely people with huge big hearts!
The information you have so kindly provided for me is truly wonderful.
I'd like to give an extra special thanks to Pennines - you really have gone out of your way to provide me with all that you have, and I can only describe it as exceptional.
I don't know of any connection to Kildwick, but then I'm still researching this branch, so I cannot be sure that there is none - who knows what will turn up! But thanks for pointing it out to me.
Anyway,
A huge big thank you to you all again,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Calverley Lad on Monday 12 October 20 18:09 BST (UK)
 Titherington, - Alice "of Kildwick-in-Craven" "Alicia Titterington"    b. 1672-1692    (Kildwick-in-Craven)     

Titherington, Ann       b. 1821    Eastby, Embsay, Skipton-in-Craven     

 Titherington, Ann(a) "Anna Tetherington"    b. 1599    Kildwick-in-Craven     
Titherington, Francis "Francis Tetherington"    b. 1547-1567    (Kildwick-in-Craven)     
Titherington, Hugh (Hugo)    b. 1590    Kildwick-in-Craven     
Titherington, Isabel(la) "Isabel Tetherington"       b. Abt 1604    (Kildwick-in-Craven)     
Titherington, Margaret    b. 1588    Kildwick-in-Craven     
Titherington, Mary    b. Abt 1822    (Embsay, Skipton-in-Craven)     

Titherington, Peter "Peter Tetherington"        b. 1593    Kildwick-in-Craven     
    Titherington, Robert   I282821     b. 1779-1799    (Eastby, Embsay, Skipton-in-Craven) 
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Monday 12 October 20 20:50 BST (UK)
To be honest I am still a bit frustrated with this search. We haven't found a marriage for Robert Titterington (and hence a mother for Margaret).

On the death record for the Robert who died in 1806 (with a birth year of c 1733) -- no wife's name is shown - whilst at that time in those registers, it was amazingly showing occupation, wife's name and cause of death.

Also who was the 81 year old Nanny Titterington of Keasdon who died in 1815? Had she been Robert's wife - theoretically she would have been shown on his death record.

Nanny is a nuisance of a name - it may have started as Nanny, Ann, Anne, Annie, Anna, Hannah, Nancy. So things aren't fully solved unfortunately.
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Tuesday 13 October 20 17:09 BST (UK)
Thanks very much for all that lovely data, Calverley Lad - that was very kind of you and although I cannot link with "my Titteringtons", who knows what will turn up.
Pennines, once again, thank you very much again for your latest post.
I have spent a little time looking at all the data that you and the others have so kindly provided me with. I've also looked at Trees - I'm usually a bit wary of some of the information on these, as I think that some of them are wrong.
Now it seems to me, looking at the baptisms with Robert as the father, that after the 5/11/1757 marriage, there is a stream of children baptised in Clapham, starting with John in 1758. The worry is is the gap between Mary in 1769 and Margaret in 1775, but according to Trees, there was also a Christopher bap 25/10/1770 and died Nov 1791; I wonder if there were others too.
Then we come to the 2 Margarets, (and of course the second marriage on 1/4/1775). But look at the abodes - Keasdon features on the 1775 one (and on the subsequent baptisms of 3 of Margaret's children) - I think that this is the really vital information that differentiates the baptisms from the 2 Roberts.
I think that "my" Robert is the one who died in 1806 and I think that there is a good chance, that his wife (Agnes), was the Nanny Titterington buried on 7/4/1816). I couldn't agree more with you, re your comments on the name Nanny - it's caused me trouble with other lines too!
I'd very much value your opinion on this,
Thanks once again, Kit

 
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 13 October 20 18:45 BST (UK)
Kit - this is just a preliminary quick reply before I study your message properly.

In 1806 - and around that time - the details of burials in the Clapham register are quite remarkable in view of the detail they include.

I have attached a copy of the page heading (it's crooked because that's how it has been filmed).

As you will see there is a column for 'Wife's name' and in Robert Titterington's case no wife is shown in that column - it is blank.

Like you - I would have thought that Nanny could be the Agnes - as her birth year, from her age at death - is just one year younger than Robert.

It is also feasible that Agnes became 'Nanny'. I am just concerned that there is no wife's name on his burial entry.

I will re-look at your message to see what other points you have made (My befuddled brain can sometimes only concentrate on one thing at once!!)

By the way -- following Calverley Lad's input - I did notice quite a lot of Titteringtons in Giggleswick
.
(Just apropos of nothing, Russell Harty used to teach at Giggleswick School - not in the 1700s though!!)

I am not getting the option to attach! Hence page headings in the burial register at that time are;

Burials in 1806.  Profession.  Wife's name.  Died.  Buried.  Aged.  Disorder.

(In the case of a deceased female it gives her relative's detail in the same column of her name.
In both male and female cases the 'abode' is given against their name).
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Tuesday 13 October 20 19:23 BST (UK)
Thanks very much Pennines - I completely concur with the points you have raised re Robert's burial record in 1806 and Nanny's burial in 1816, particularly the latter. That's why I would really value your input!
Kind regards,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 13 October 20 20:09 BST (UK)
Kit -- I have been checking the actual filmed pages for Clapham regarding the other points raised;

5/11/1757 -the marriage to Agnes Hardy at Clapham by Banns. Shows Robert as a Webster. Both bride and groom are 'of this parish'.

1/4/1775 - the marriage to Mary Thistlethwaite by Banns. Robert is a Husbandman no confirmation whether he is a bachelor or a widower. Mary is a Spinster and they are both 'of this parish.'

1775 Baptism of a Christopher Titterington.--- there are none in Clapham (or anywhere else in that year coming up). I have looked through the actual pages around the date given.

Burials;

Christopherus 1709 no age but of Light Birks?
Christopherus 1732 of Keasdon, Agricola.
Christopher, son of Robert, 1791 no age, of Clapham.
Christopher 1812 of Ingleton, aged 48 - Accident.

I am not sure if that clarifies anything or not, to be honest.
I am really tempted to think the Nanny who died was the Agnes who married a Robert in 1757 - but we are always taught 'not to assume!' In addition, at marriage that Robert was a 'Webster' -- which is a Weaver. Maybe he was and only became a Farmer later.

It is a bit 'iffy'!

Have you by any chance checked these on Family Search? Just to confirm these findings please.

According to Family Search Wiki they should be on the site, but probably only the transcribed versions.

If you search for a surname of Titterington with a father's name of Robert - location Clapham - you should hopefully clarify whether I have missed any (I would hate to have done that).
 
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Tuesday 13 October 20 21:08 BST (UK)
Hi Pennines, thanks very much again for that.
I've been trying to do some more "digging"!
Re: Christopher bap 25/10/1770 - I got this from a Tree, but then I have also got (from family search and Ancestry), a bap for a Christopher Titterington in Clapham on 25/12/1771, with father Robert!
I suspect that the latter is the more reliable! Trees also state that he is the one buried in Nov 1791, but it could also be the one born in 1788!
I've also found a record (Transcript) for a Robert Titterington of Ceasden Lane in the parish of Clapham, died in 1806, Yeoman, in UK, Death Duty Registers.
So, this ties in with several of the bapts after the 1757 marriage, (which mention Keasdon).
Also, I have found the following bapts in Gigglewick:
Ann Titterington bap 30/3/1783 with parents Robt Titterington + Mary Thistlethwaite
and similarly there is a bap for a William on 22/4/1781. (It would be interesting to see the details).
So, it feels to me that the Robt Titterington + Mary Thistlethwaite couple were "more mobile" than the Robt + Agnes Titterington; I think that the latter were the ones who had children baptised in Clapham, with abode Keasden and buried in Clapham in 1806 and 1816. BUT I CANNOT BE SURE!
The other couple, I feel had different abodes for the baptisms of their children, with some being baptised in Giggleswick. The main sticking point is that I cannot, as yet, find a burial for the other Robert, but Trees have Mary Titterington (nee Thistlethwaite) , buried in Clapham in Oct 1837.(Again, It would be interesting to see the details).
I'd once again very much value your opinion,
Thank you very much again for all your tremendous help,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 14 October 20 19:07 BST (UK)
Hello Kit -- I hope I have picked up all the events you have mentioned - but if I have missed any - just let me know.

25? Dec 1771; Christopher, son of Robert Titterington of Green Gill (baptism) (Surname had been transcribed as Fitterington on Find My Past hence I won't originally have picked this one up).

1770; -- I could not find one baptised in that year.

1791; -- Christopher son of Robert Titterington of Clapham - burial, no age given for Christopher.

-------------------
GIGGLESWICK.

These registers are on the lines of Dade Registers - named after William Dade who believed more family details should be included in Parish Registers. Sadly not everyone agreed - many vicars thought it gave them too much work!
As it is - where these types of records WERE used - it was just for the latter part of 18th century and early part of 19th century.

30 March 1783;  (Baptism)
Ann, daughter of Robert Titterington of Bridgholm?, son of Richard Titterington of Dubgarth in the parish of Clapham,by Mary his wife, daughter of William Thistlethwaite of Bantree Top in the parish of Clapham.

22 April 1781 (Baptism)
William, son of Robert Titterington of Knight Stainforth, son of Richard Titterington of the parish of Clapham, by Mary his wife, daughter of William Thistlethwaite in the parish of Clapham.

MARY TITTERINGTON, death 1837

Kit are you sure about this one please? There are no burials in either Clapham or Giggleswick in 1837 for a Mary Titterington. In addition, if she was buried in October -- Civil Registration of BMDs had started in July 1837. She is not listed in the Civil Reg Index, either on Ancestry or on the GRO website.
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Wednesday 14 October 20 20:57 BST (UK)
Bless you Pennines once more for your tremendous kindness - I just hope that I haven't caused you too much trouble/work!
Thanks very much indeed for the data on Christopher - at least that has cleared up one thing, and really brings home to me, (again!), that not all Trees are reliable!
I've come across Dades Registers before (in Kirkburton); they are simply HEAVEN, but unfortunately the system was not adopted very much at all.
Thanks also for the 2 Giggleswick baptisms - these have been particularly useful; I cannot find Bridgholm, but Knight Stainforth, I think was in Little Stainforth, which again, to me, would indicate that Robert and Mary seem to have lead a more nomadic life than Robert and Agnes - would you agree? I think that this is a crucial point in trying to differentiate the baptisms for the 2 Roberts.
(I'm really struggling with the place names - I think that some of them are individual farms/homesteads etc and I cannot locate most of them on modern maps!)
Now according to one Tree Mary was buried in Oct 1837 in Clapham - like you I checked with www.gro.gov.uk BUT COULD NOT FIND IT.
But interestingly, I have just found the following burials in Caton, Lancs:
Mary Titterington buried 18/3/1836, aged 85, abode: Caton (therefore born abt 1751)
Robert Titterington buried   14/7/1797 - no further information. So, I'm wondering if these are Robert and Mary (Thistlethwaite).
Thank you once again for all your kindness,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 14 October 20 21:26 BST (UK)
The Caton Registers, which are on Ancestry under 'Lancashire Burials' give absolutely no additional information. They are also on the Lancashire On Line Parish Clerks site.
www.lan-opc.org.uk

In fact in the same year (1797) that Robt Titterington was buried -- there are 2 more Marys!!

At the moment -- if it was me - I would tend to concentrate on the Keasdon records, as I am assuming your ancestor was Margaret (although we should never assume should we!!)

There is a danger of widening this search too far with all the Roberts who are around.

My major concern is that, no wife was shown against the Robert who was buried in 1806 - whereas a wife was shown in many cases at that time, of the men who were buried at Clapham.

On the face of it you would tend to think that particular Robert's wife had already died. In which case 'Nanny' may be a red herring!

Let's face it -- if the wife's names WEREN'T shown in that register - I would certainly think that Nanny of Keasdon was probably Robert's wife, with the location and birth years fitting.

I am glad it's not my decision and can wimp out!



Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 14 October 20 21:56 BST (UK)
I've also found a record (Transcript) for a Robert Titterington of Ceasden Lane in the parish of Clapham, died in 1806, Yeoman, in UK, Death Duty Registers.

Abstract of Will of Robert Titterington, Yeoman of Ceasden Lane in the parish of Clapham, Yorkshire. Proved in the Court of Lonsdale.
August 29 1806
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7169396

Can be downloaded for free.

See the will here, well this is just to the title, it starts on the next image! Includes the wrapper on image 56.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-S3FN-V

If desired, can be downloaded using image viewer
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01py4/
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 14 October 20 22:04 BST (UK)
Throw in an inventory and an administration
Richard Titterington of Clapham, Taylor, 1757
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VC-J9VX-X
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 14 October 20 22:33 BST (UK)
Burials;
Christopherus 1732 of Keasdon, Agricola.

Seems to be probate for him, I think it's a will, which sadly is probably not available to us?
But we can at least see the probate act book, he is on page 55, it is in March 1732/3
Written in latin :)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJQ-19Y8-N

You'll see on the next image, page 57, we get to April 1733 and by then of course they are just into the new year back then. And from 1733 it's latin no more, but in English (may help you!)

Add on the probate act book for Robert, 1806 (value under £100?)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJQ-19BY-Y
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 15 October 20 13:07 BST (UK)
Oh Wow, Jon -- you are an absolute star for finding this Will. Who would have thought it would be in Lancashire -- which at that time came under the jurisdiction of Chester for Wills etc. (I can't understand that actually).

I, foolishly, looked at Yorkshire Wills!

So -- this shows that Robert DID have a wife at the time of his death. The name looks like Anne - but is distorted on the image. Hence she could well be the Nanny of Keasdon who died in 1815 aged 81.

Brilliant Work, Jon!
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 15 October 20 14:42 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks, Pennines. I think it says Ann. I've even inverted it, sometimes helps (I hated negative microfilms!) and still looks like Ann.

I only found out a month or so ago that those wills were on FS.
Two pages of records, may be useful
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/822113?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Don't ask me about the jurisdictions!
John
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 15 October 20 15:12 BST (UK)
I only know about these jurisdictions because I am from Lancashire!

People residing South of the River Ribble came under Chester. People residing North of the Ribble came under Richmond, Yorks! The Chester ones for Lancashire are now at Lancashire Record Office.

Just why this Will is showing up where it is -- I just cannot fathom. Then again - there are many things I cannot fathom!
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 15 October 20 20:18 BST (UK)
It is a Richmond will I think. Perhaps the Lonsdale deanery may have mainly been in Lancashire? :-\

Hope Kit found the will useful? :)
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 15 October 20 20:54 BST (UK)
Jon - you are correct. According to the Jurisdictions on Family Search it is a Richmond Will.

I have also just searched Lancashire Wills on Find My Past - and Robert Titterington's Will is listed - showing the place as Clapham and the county as Yorkshire! Doesn't make sense that does it.

However your sleuthing skills found it and I am sure Kit will be thrilled!

Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Thursday 15 October 20 21:41 BST (UK)
Hi Pennines and John,
A huge thank you to you both for all your kind help and replies and brilliant sleuthing - I am thrilled to have all that. I've spent the last hour or so reading Robert's Will and accessing TNA.
As you now know, (and this is confirmed by the Abstract from TNA), when Robert died in 1806 his wife Ann was still alive and so I think that Robert was the one who married Agnes Hardy and that she was the one buried as "Nanny" in 1816 - it all fits, apart from the fact that I too, don't understand why her name was omitted from his burial record.
Tomorrow I will look at all the other data and links that you have so kindly found for me too.
I initially requested help to try to find which baptism was for "my" Margaret - well you certainly have provided that, and so much more!
You have been so kind and have given so much of your time to help me. I have also very much valued your obvious wealth of knowledge and experience, and I couldn't appreciate all that you have done for me more.
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Friday 16 October 20 08:49 BST (UK)
Oh Kit what a lovely message.

I think Jon's find is the icing on the cake with this case. Not only does that Will reveal the existance of wife 'Ann', but also mentions in particular, son Christopher - who was clearly alive at the time the Will was written.

Good luck with your ongoing research.
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Saturday 17 October 20 19:46 BST (UK)
I quite agree Pennines - John's find was brilliant! And it just goes to demonstrate the excellence of the help offered by fellow Rootschatters!
I've been looking at the Inventory and Will for Richard Titterington, 1757, and I have tried to download that too, but have had problems-
I have either been able to save a portion of the image/page (on a magnification that I can read), or if I minimise the image to get the full page in, and save that, and then enlarge, it is very blurred.
So, I assume that I need another image viewer? My hubby and me have spent ages trying to sort this out but have failed!
So, please John, can you tell me how I go about getting/using an image viewer for other records on family search? (I have found other Wills in the same record set!)
Sorry to be a nuisance,
Thanks,
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 17 October 20 22:18 BST (UK)
Hi
Well it starts really with the inventory here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3VC-J9NB-Y?i=301

Make a note of the image number (302)
Above that on the screen is "Film # 008868117"
Highlight and copy that number, which is the DGS number

Click on the "images" option (above the DGS number and under" FamilySearch")
Takes you here
https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/

Click on "Show More Search Options"
Then on "Show Advanced Search"

You then get a box to paste (or type!) the DGS number, 008868117 (don't really need the zeros at the beginning!) and click search
And you should then see 1 Result
Cumberland, England, United Kingdom / 1749Ė1770 / Will Record / 983 images

Click on the 983 image count
You are then here
https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/image-details?dgsNumbers=008868117&rmsId=TH-7763-97487-42386-99&imageIndex=0

Change the image number in the box to 302 and hit enter, click on the image, you should then be able to see the inventory you want to save
https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/image-details?dgsNumbers=008868117&rmsId=TH-7763-97487-42386-99&imageIndex=301&singleView=true

Ready to download via tools on the left (or shift and d?)
Forward to next images and download also.

Can't really tell for how long we we will be able to do this, but it's a boon at the moment
John
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 18 October 20 12:51 BST (UK)
Jon --- I am sure you could be employed by 'Family Search' as a Tutor! You certainly seem to know the site inside out.

Some years ago I actually took a course entitled 'So you think you know Family Search' -- run by a really lovely lady who actually works in their centre in Utah. However the site has evolved SO MUCH since then, that I feel I know nothing at all!
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: kit54 on Sunday 18 October 20 20:56 BST (UK)
Hi John and Pennines,
Once more many thanks for your kind replies.
John, I am truly amazed by what you have found re these wills - it is an absolute treasure!
I spent a little time getting to grips with your instructions, but oh was it worth it - not only have I got a beautiful copy of Richard Titterington's Inventory 1757, but I have also managed to download 3 other Lancashire/Cheshire Wills, which I was really keen to have.
You are brilliant, not only to find these wills, but to be able to help a muddlehead like myself access/download them. I am thrilled!
One final thing, you wrote:
"Well it starts really with the inventory here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3VC-J9NB-Y?i=301"
Since there is no index, I assume that you manually searched through the appropriate record set? If so, then that was extremely kind of you.
Well, I'm off to search for other Wills, but I can only thank you both once more for your amazing kindness, efforts on my behalf, expertise and patience,
You have both been brilliant!
Kit
Title: Re: Margaret Titterington born about 1776, Clapham help please
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 18 October 20 21:39 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks to you both for the kind words.
Yes, the bottom line is that you have to find the will yourself, but I think those ones are arranged alphabetically, so not so much trouble.
Don't forget that inventory goes with the administration.

The big problem with their "Explore Historical Images" is that is not very easy to find the film you want by searching. You can put a place in, but the results are complicated and the descriptions of contents rather vague. If you want something like wills, it is even harder.
So find the details of whatever film you need via the catalogue, and then you can put put in the DGS number to get hold of it on images.
Good luck
John