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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: Bonti on Monday 12 October 20 01:43 BST (UK)
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I am wishing to learn more about George WILLIAMS and Fanny PETTINGALL.
All help greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
I have a baptism certificate for Fanny Frederica Rosina WILLIAMS 13 (15) May 1849 St Mary Newington, Surrey
born: 1844 (I think- copy not very clear)
Father: George WILLIAMS and mother: Fanny (Learned elsewhere PETTINGALL)
Abode: Berkley Street, Grosvenor Square (I think- copy not very clear) Trade: Army
Fanny Frederica Rosina WILLIAMS married in New Zealand 1865 to Edmund ROGERS
Her children's names (I always hope there is a clue here) all born New Zealand.
Fanny Elizabeth
Edmund Lewes ... His father
Florence Hilda
Charles - his brother's name
Maude
Eliza Barrett
George Williams
Denis
Harry Williams
Winifred,
George Williams (again)
Dorothy
Laura
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Do you have any of the birth certs for Edmund and Fanny's children born after 1875? This would at least give her place of birth which could be anywhere in the world if her father was in the army.
Debra :)
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https://icc.govt.nz/cemeteries/cemetery-search/
Saint Johns Cemetery Invercargill
Block/Plot: General - 1 / 13
PETTINGAL Eliza 60y buried Tues 14 Nov 1871
ROGERS George William 6 Months buried Tue 3 Mar 1874
ROGERS Elizabeth Barrett 24 Years buried Wed. 5 Aug 1896
Block/Plot: Free Ground - 1 / 13
ROGERS Edmund Lewes 19 Years buried Sun 13 Jun 1886
Block/Plot: Free Ground - 1 / 19
ROGERS Edmund 64 years buried Tue 1 Jan 1895
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Image on ancestry she was baptized 13 May 1849 born May 1844, address as you have listed
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Southland Times 15 May 1863 p2
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18630515.2.20.12.5?
MRS. PETTINGAL, of Hobart Town, would take this opportunity of informing the inhabitants of Invercargill, that she purposes removing thither at a very early date. Instruction in the usual branches of a sound English education, and all the modern accomplishments. References to H. W. Whitton, Esq., Messrs Maning and Whitton, merchants
Launceston Examiner 26 May 1863 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/41460975?
23 (May)-Passengers per bark Juno. for Invercargill. N.Z.-Mrs. Pettingal, Miss Williams, Mr. C.
Hewitt, in the cabin; 9 steerage.
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Arrival in Hobart of Mrs PETTINGAL and Niece on the Calcutta on 10 Oct 1849.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/MB2-39-1-11 (image 174)
I am unsure if Mrs PETTINGAL was actually a Mrs or Miss, her death cert might state her marital status. Fanny ROGERS took over the school after Eliza's death.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18720216.2.2.1
This man, John George PETTINGAL(E) died in 1870 aged 53 with probate not until 1893. He was from Norfolk, England and had sisters named Eliza, Mary, Fanny. Elizabeth, Ann and Jane. His will was written in 1853.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C95P-WS1L-1
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18700806.2.42
Inquest
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18700708.2.20
Debra :)
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This man, John George PETTINGAL(E) died in 1870 aged 53 with probate not until 1893. He was from Norfolk, England and had sisters named Eliza, Mary, Fanny. Elizabeth, Ann and Jane. His will was written in 1853.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C95P-WS1L-1
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18700806.2.42
Inquest
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18700708.2.20
Debra :)
This man John George Pettingale was actually bp.24/10/1808 West Bilney, Norfolk, son of George (a farmer) and Mary. He did indeed have the sisters named, Fanny actually baptised as Frances on 30/4/1810.
However, this Fanny was still at home with widowed father George plus 4 sisters, on 1851 census at Fulmodeston cum Croxton, Norfolk - all 5 sisters unmarried - so she can't be the lady married to George Williams.
Annette
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Yes, I saw that the girls were all still at home and unmarried. That would have been too easy ;D
Seeing that Fanny and Edmund had a daughter named 'Eliza Barrett', there was a marriage in 1830 at St Martin in the Fields, London, between a Charles Richard PETTINGAL and Eliza Best BARRETT. Witnesses were Charles Th. PETTINGAL and Jane PETTINGAL.
Charles may have died in 1883 but I can't spot him on any census before 1881.
Debra :)
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Charles Thomas was the father of Charles Richard and was born in Leighton Buzzard. He was a clergyman and died in 1858.
Ian C
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Charles Thomas was the father of Charles Richard and was born in Leighton Buzzard. He was a clergyman and died in 1858.
Ian C
Charles Thomas Pettingal’s 1858 probate entry names his administrator as Charles Richard Pettingal (of Ramsgate) “the only child of the said deceased”.
His marriage to Jane Glover was at St Margaret’s, Westminster in 1806.
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It’s puzzling not to be able to place Fanny Pettingal in this family.
Charles Richard Pettingal benefited from the will (proved in 1838) of his uncle George Hanbury Pettingal. Another legatee was “God-daughter” Julia Maria Pettingal, daughter of Chas Pettingal, foreign officer (his will, proved in January 1847, is also online - both he and Julia died in the Cape Verde Islands in late 1846).
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You say in your opening post that Fanny's surname was Pettingall (learned elsewhere)!
Can you tell us the source of this?
The most likely candidate for someone of this name was the one born 1810 in Norfolk but ruled out because she was unmarried and still at home in 1851. Others with this name were either too old or too young to have had a child in 1844.
Annette