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Can anyone help please? Searching for marriage of my 2X great grandparents
Jane (born in Glyn Ceiriog abt. 1845) married to John Williams (born Froncysyllte abt. 1841)
In 1881 they lived in Underhill Terrace Froncysyllte, Their eldest son Edward was aged 17.
I would be grateful for any information on them.
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I struggled to find that 1881 census entry - for those looking, the reference is RG11/5540/111/13 (Wales).
It looks as though this is the birth registration of the youngest child in that census:
Thomas William Williams, mother’s maiden name Davies, Sep qtr 1880 Corwen 11b 388.
Have you found any of them in 1871?
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I’ve now found them in 1871 with sons Edward 7, Richard 4 and John A, 7mo: RG10/5682/109/6.
There are Davies households on either side of the Williams’ address. Perhaps the neighbours Richard and Sarah Davies are Jane’s parents?
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Agreed on Davies - have found them in 1891, with youngest son Austen aged 6. He also has mmn Davies
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Probably worth noting that in 1871 & 91, John and Jane give place of birth as Llangollen
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Richard and Sarah Davies did have a daughter Jane who in 1851 (in Chirk) was 6 b Llangollen.
HO107/1993/803/6 (Wales)
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Chirk’s registration district was Oswestry, so this marriage may be relevant:
Marriages Dec qtr 1863
Davies Jane <<<<<
Howell Edward
Pearce Sarah
Williams John <<<<<
Oswestry 6a 1376
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Would this fit:
Baptism, Glynceiriog, July 21st 1844, born June 19th. Daughter of Richard(blacksmith) and Sarah of Llwynmawr - between Glyn and Pontfadog.
Gadget
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Thank you so much all of you for your replies . I can now fill in the one missing surname from my page of 2X great grandparents!!!!
Richard who was 4 in 1871 was the organist at Carmel Baptist chapel Fron. I have a chair (with a plaque attached), gifted to him in 1914 as a thank you from the chapel for his help as organist for several years.
My great grandfather is James Williams, born 1884. A cousin found him on the 1891 census.
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Thank you Gadget for your info while I was typing my reply. I'm sure this is right. I think Llwynmawr is a hamlet near Glyn Ceiriog village.
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Well done everybody on disambiguating people with these so very common Welsh surnames. I'd have cautioned against assuming neighbouring Davieses were related, but you never know.
(Just finally decided, still short of absolute proof, which Thomas Morris born 1821 in nearby Llangynog was my ancestor. The less interesting one, as it happens.)
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I just read properly your reply Gadget, and hadn't noticed you had put Llwynmawr between Glyn and Pontfadog. This is a warning to me to read replies thoroughly, I just got a bit excited!!!!!!
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Yes, it is.
I grew up in Chirk and went to secondary school in Llangollen. Some of my friends were from Llwymawr.
I think they used to have sheep dog trials near there. We used to go with some farmer friends of my parents. Also a nice pub - the Golden Pheasant :D
Gadget
I left the area to go to university when I was 18 and only went back to visit parents and other relatives. Sadly there are very few left.
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That's interesting, I lived in the Fron early 1970s for few years as a child. So I also went to Dinas Bran School!!
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I was gone by then ;D
It was Llangollen Grammar School until about 1960ish, when I was in 4th or 5th form. Then it became a comprehensive as Dinas Bran School. I expect you had some of the same teachers as me though!
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The deputy head in the 70s was Mr Potter. He was in Llangollen Grammar the same year as my grandfather in the 1920s. He was from Chirk. Mr Gibson was my form teacher, he taught biology. I also remember a Mr. T.V. Jones. My Welsh teacher was Revd R. Coetmor Jones. No other names come to mind at the moment, but plenty of faces!!!