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I'm looking for SKS to help me find more info about Hubert (Henry) Flowers b1888 Banbury and his younger brother Thomas Edward Flowers b1890 Ireland. In the 1901, both are in the Neithrop workhouse. Both are the sons of Hubert Henry Flowers ( ::)) b1866 Banbury.
I have their birth records and lots more about them but have been told that they are mentioned in the following books, available at Oxfordshire Libraries or their Gale Cengage. (I can't join Oxf libraries as I don't live in the county.)
In the The "Black Sheep" series of books, the volume entitled "Wanted! Military Deserters, Apprentices and Runaways 1802-1903" (the latter of which is from "Jackson's Oxford Journal") there is mention of Hubert (I don't know if that's Hubert b1866 or Hubert b1888)
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"Oxfordshire Workhouse Children (volume C-F)"
This book contains ONE SENTENCE about the 2 young lads, mentioned above.
(I've been told the books each cost £5+p&p, which seems a lot to pay for one sentence about them!)
I'd really appreciate help. Thank you.
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Info you probably already have
Born Henry Hubert Flowers June qtr 1888 - mmn was Webber - 1891 shows her as Madeline b Lahore India
1891 ref RG12/1230/46/25
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Yes, I have that thanks - and much more!
I'm interested i finding out WHY 13yo Hubert b1888 was in the Poorhouse in 1901. (His dad b1866 at the same age was in Boarding school - how ironic!)
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Hi
If you have access (FindMyPast or newspaper archives) there are several pieces in the Banbury papers re what was happening with Hubert Flowers around 1902 to 1904. The papers seem to be interested in his well being. Couple of possible mentions for his father too.
Cathy
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Thanks, Cath - I currently don't have access to either, but plan to join FindMyPast again soon...I'm just particularly nosey about the boys being in the workhouse!
I have the family history from censuses, BMDs etc and now trying to add a bit of "interest" (aka gossip?!!" to the family.
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Banbury Beacon 1st Dec 1900
"The committee recommend that two deserted children, Hubert and Thomas Flowers, at present in the Workhouse, be sent to the C of E Home for Waifs and Strays."
Cathy
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Thanks again, Cath. I wonder why they had been deserted? Mum & Dad were both still alive and their Grandma lived in Peterorough. Seems so cruel?
Any idea where the "C of E Home for Waifs and Strays" was? London? Banbury? I know in 1906 Hubert b1888 was enlisted on Training Ship Exmouth (Grays, Essex).
UPDATE: I've emailed the Children's Society to find out why they were placed in the Home.
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From another report the home appears to be in Copenhagen Street ,Islington in 1902.
Cathy
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There was an earlier report suggesting he may have been sent to Leicester.
Banbury Beacon
01 Dec 1900
Banbury Board of Guardians
Report of the Finance and House Committee
Hubert and Thomas Flowers. - The committee recommended that the two deserted children named Hubert and Thomas Flowers, at present in the Workhouse, be sent to the Church of England Home for Waifs and Strays at Leicester.
As Cathy says, there are quite a few articles mentioning Hubert. As an alternative to FindMyPast, which only includes newspaper archives in it's top tier of subscription, you might want to go direct to the BNA, which offer monthly subscriptions.
British Newspaper Archive
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
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There is an incoming passenger list for Madeline Flowers aged 41 27.2.1909 from Buenos Aires Argentina to Southampton. No other info on the list
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Cuffie81 and Cath151:
Thinking about FindMyPast: I would like Worldwide (would come in handy for the American branch) as well as their Newspaper Archives (for the articles on Hubert b1866).
BUT, it is "Billed as a single payment of £46:99", and "Cancel anytime, no strings". So if I cancel within the 3 months, do they refund me the other 9months?
Thank you both.
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There is an incoming passenger list for Madeline Flowers aged 41 27.2.1909 from Buenos Aires Argentina to Southampton. No other info on the list
Yes, I have that, thank you. She isn't on any UK census after 1891 until 1939. She married Harry Bowles in 1920 Yarmouth, He was 26y younger than her (lucky woman!) and she left her £550 estate to him.
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I suspect the deserter is Dad, given the lists end in 1903
There's a military record indexed on Ancestry, but access is on the Fold3 site
Hubert H Flowers
Discharge Date: 29 Oct 1886
Regiment: 2d Bn Oxford Shire Light Infantry
Rank: Corporal
Regimental Number: 1123
Hubert jnr joined the navy in 1906 for 12 years, but the record I can see ends in 1909. in Sept 1914 he joins the army
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I don;t know that they were completely deserted - Thomas appears to be living with his mother in 1916 when he joins up (or rejoins - looks like he might have been in the army in 1914 as well)
He also did time in the navy as a youngster
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Thinking about FindMyPast: I would like Worldwide (would come in handy for the American branch) as well as their Newspaper Archives (for the articles on Hubert b1866).
BUT, it is "Billed as a single payment of £46:99", and "Cancel anytime, no strings". So if I cancel within the 3 months, do they refund me the other 9months?
I think that "Cancel anytime, no strings" note refers to cancelling during the free trial, although FindMyPast are somewhat unclear on that (the cynic in me thinks it's deliberate).
Having been an FindMyPast subscriber for a number of years I don't think there's any way to 'unsubscribe' once your subscription has started; the only option being to disable auto-renewal which would happen at the end of the subscription period.
Is that subscription price for 3 months? If so, disabling auto renewal before the end of the period would mean you'd only be charged for the one 3-month subscription (I think). Checking the subscription prices they only offer me 1-month or 1-year subscriptions so I couldn't be sure what offers you're seeing.
You could always take up the free trial for 14 days and sweep through their records and newspapers in that time, and then cancel the trial before the time is up.
There are quite a few newspaper references to the Flowers family, given their prominence in Banbury, so I think you'd find even the free trial worth it.
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I think that "Cancel anytime, no strings" note refers to cancelling during the free trial, although FindMyPast are somewhat unclear on that (the cynic in me thinks it's deliberate).
I must be cynical too!
I've already used up the Free Trial offers available on FindMyPast and BNA, so can't do again.
I've emailed FindMyPast and asked about how their refund system works.
Its annoying that I only need BNA for the 3 articles on Hubert (and maybe FindMyPast for few more searches for the USA branch, although that's not so important at this time).
I have all the other records available for the family (BMDs/Army & Navy records/Medal records etc)
Thanks to all.
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there is a site https://sites.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/surnames/surnames-d-g.htm
site is called Banburyshire I have used it before
this is a surname list on it and the name Flowers is down twice with contact emails might help
sandie
this could be useful a tree https://sites.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/families/flowers/03.htm
also lots of photos of family