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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: gnorman on Friday 16 October 20 14:54 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone, I've had the DNA test done and been conncected to a distant relative related through his great grandma and her brother, my great great grandfather. We've shared some stuff and he has mentioned an old story he heard which I have never heard and do not feel is true, but he tells me...
'The only other thing I know of the Jones is that Charlotte's father had owned a ship in Liverpool which sank, leaving the family destitute. So, in search of work, the family moved to Oldham where the mills were'.
The George mentioned above is George Halsall Jones born in 1853 to Robert Halsall Jones and Catherine Palmer Parr in West Derby. I've looked at lots of things for G H Jones but i've never heard anything about a ship and no mention of anything nautical apart from a possible record for a George H Jones going to sea on a ship called the Virginia in 1869.
Can anyone see anything at all about him ever being otherwise involved in any ships please?
Many thanks, Luke
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Is this the Charlotte you refer to :-\
JONES, CHARLOTTE mmn MILLINGTON
GRO Reference: 1891 Dec Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 575
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George Halsall Jones was a 30 year old mechanic when he married in 1885 Chadderton.
Prior to that he was living with his parents in 1861 age 7.
Where do you have him in 1871 and 1881
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Hi Rosie99, yes that is the correct Charlotte.
I have George Halsall at the following places;
1861 Census, 13 Wavertree Vale, Wavertree aged 7 and a scholar
1891 Census, 18 Mowbray Street, Oldham aged 37 and a Machine Planner
1901 Census, 56 Waterloo Street, Oldham aged 46 and an Iron Planner
1911 Census, 26 Watercroft Street, Oldham aged 56 and an Iron Planner
I do not have him on the 1871 or 1881 census at all. Perhaps he really was at sea!
Luke
Thanks, Luke
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His father mother and siblings are at 16 Wavertree Vale in 1871, in 1881 his father Robert Halsall Jones has died and his mother Catherine is at 2 Mowbray Street in Oldham
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Hiya Luke - I am a bit puzzled
you say George was born 1853 - his parents didn't marry until 4th sept 1853
I can't find a baptism foe GEORGE - AT GEORGES marriage in August 1885 it says he is 30 - if he was b 1853 he should be 32
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Marriage: 4 Sep 1853 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Robert Halsall Jones - 19, Clerk, Bachelor, West Derby
Catherine Palmer Parr - 21, Spinster, West Derby
Groom's Father: John Jones, Blacksmith
Bride's Father: William Palmer Parr, Nail Manufacturer
Witness: Uriah Halsall; Mary Woods 3 years later Robert is running a Pub - this is Georges brother
Baptism: 5 Oct 1856 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Uriah Halsall Jones - [Child] of Robert Halsall Jones & Catherine Halsall
Born: 19 Aug 1856
Abode: West Derby
Occupation: Publican
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I have a sneaky feeling that George Halsall Jones is possibly baptised URIAH Halsall Jones - or am I wrong - could you post your baptism record for George please ?? so I can delve further
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Uriah was born 19th aug 1856 - do you have Uriah in your census results with George ?
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This is George's birth certificate, i havent found a baptism. Uriah Halsall Jones is George Jones' brother (Robert Halsall Jones' brother was called Uriah Halsall Jones as well)
Date and Place of Birth: 25th December 1853, Townsend Lane, West Derby
Name: George Jones, male Fathers name: Robert Halsall Jones
Mothers name: Catherine Parr Jones, formerly Palmer
Informant: Robert H Jones - father, Townsend Lane, West Derby
Fathers Profession: Warehouse Man Reported: 28th January 1854
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Uriah is listed alongside George on 1861
Isn't George with mother Catherine in Oldham in 1881 - RG11; 4065; 48; 14; Again an iron turner/planer
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I dont know how I missed that Mabel, yes he is
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I went to school off Townsend Lane - for your info that area is known as Broadway,Liverpool .
so Robert was an iron planer / Clerk / Warehouseman / Publican and deceased Cotton Worker at Georges marriage . got around a bit didn't he ..lol
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Do they have books of licence holders for that area open to the public?
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I have a great grandfather who was a barber. As was his father before him. The story was that a ship sunk and for some reason he had not taken out insurance on the load it was carrying, which he normally did.
He remained a barber/hair dresser on all the censuses.
Eventually was looking through newspaper archives, randomly, to pass the time, and got reports of a missing ship, and name of master, and owner. Greatgrandfather had a very common surname, more unusual first name, so a fluke that I found him. I did not know the name of the ship, and did not even know where it had been registered, or where it sailed from, or with what, but things came together - another boatowner had a shop 2 doors away.
So see if the newspapers turn up anything.
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'The only other thing I know of the Jones is that Charlotte's father had owned a ship in Liverpool which sank, leaving the family destitute. So, in search of work, the family moved to Oldham where the mills were'.
He married in 1885 in Chadderton so was already in Oldham by then. Children were born Oldham.
His occupation when he married was a Mechanic, later census have him with similar occupation description. As he was obviously in employment as a mechanic when he married and living in Oldham area I wonder how he can have 'left the family destitute' and causing them to move to Oldham from Liverpool. The only mention I can see of a -- Halsall Jones in newspapers is his brother Uriah.
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There's a William Halsall Jones, Accountant of Birkenhead mentioned in a Welsh newspaper in 1884. Noting else to note - he was in a list of individuals applying for a position
I suspect he is a cousin of George - b 1857 son of Uriah snr,