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Hi all, new to the site after a recommendation from a gentleman that may be a relative.
I am trying to locate a birth place or parents for a James Gilbanks allegedly born in the Cumberland area. The 1851 Census suggests he was born 1816. However future Census' and death certificate suggest he was born abt 1804.
the information I have on him is the following (listed as per documents with any relevant people);
1851 Census;
Penrith Workhouse
William Gilbanks age:12
James Gilbanks Agricultural labourer age: 35 born in Threlkeld Cumberland (married)
Hannah Gilbanks Agricultural labourer age:29 born in Roxburgh Scotland (married)
Benjamin Gilbanks age: 9 mnths Born in Penrith Cumberland
I believe William is a close relative to James, im unsure if the age is correct for him
In these two Census (1861 & 1871) the Surname shows as Killbanks, i believe that Hannah/Ann may have given the information for this Census and the possibility of her Scottish accent is what caused the taker to mistaken the Surname.
1861 Census;
Newcastle Upon Tyne
James Killbanks Position: Head Linen Bleacher Age:45 Born in Matterdale Cumberland
Ann Position: wife (unable to read profession) Age: 38 Born in Scotland
Benjamin Position: Son Scholar Age:10 Born in Penrith Cumberland
Although I can read Benjamin as being born in Penrith I think some websites pick it up as a different location, Likewise with James' place of birth as some sites pick it up as Patterdale
1871 Census;
Newcastle Upon Tyne
James Killbanks Position: Head Labourer Age:54 Born in Penrith Cumberland
Ann Position: wife Age: 46 Born in Scotland
Benjamin Position: Son Tailor Age:20 Born in Penrith Cumberland
Benjamin then married in 1877 in Camden To a Mary Ann Jobling who was from Newcastle.
The 1881 Census is in Westminster;
James Listed as John age: 77 Former Linen Bleacher Born in Scotland
Ann age:60 No profession Born in Scotland
Benjamin age: 31 Journeyman Tailor Born in Newcastle
Mary (Wife) age:25 Born in Newcastle (I was unable to read her profession)
Benjamin was Head on the 1881 Census, so I wonder if he provided the information and had no clue on where himself or his father was born? Also im not sure why James is listed as John but I did also try search for John with no joy
Other Census' I have afterwards make sense, James passed away 1886 and Ann 1893.
James' wife Hannah Gilbanks (born Reid) appears to have shortened her name to Ann after 1851. This combined with the incorrect surname of Killbanks provided a little challenging. On Benjamin's Birth certificate his mother is listed as Hannah Gilbanks (Formerly Reid) and father James Gilbanks occupation as Husbandman, residence Burrowgate Penrith.
I am aware of many Gilbanks/ Gillbanks in the Cumberland area, however i have not been able to locate James on a 1841 Census, nor have i been able to find a birth for him (the varying ages do not do me justice here either). I also tried searching for William but not knowing if the age is correct and with no other information, this was unsuccessful as there is many William Gilbanks in the Cumberland area. The same goes for John Gilbanks, this was also a very common name in the Cumberland area and given that the name changes on the same Census that ages and places of birth are different I am unsure if this is credible.
Can anyone shed any light on the subject? I do apologise if the way I have formatted this Post is not the same way as you guys commonly format yours, I have written all this out as all the Census' I have are scanned.
Also as there is varying information I felt it was important to list any notes I had made on that particular Census.
I am well aware of a Gillbanks expert on this Forum, We believe our families to be linked, however finding a link is a very different situation. I am also unable to visit any archives that are not online as I am based south of London and I do not know anyone in the area.
Thank you in advance for any help or advice given I appreciate you taking the time to read my long post
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Welcome to Rootschat
Benjamin was older that 2mths
Benjamin Gilbanks September qtr 1850 Penrith Volume 25 Page 153 - mothers maiden name Reid
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Thank you Carole!
Indeed he was, I must have entered it incorrectly. Benjamin was a bit tricky to locate any further back then London at the start, due to working from myself backwards through my ancestors only knowing my fathers and grandfathers name and place of birth, however a kind gentleman that has been helping me posted on here previously for a lookup on Benjamin. But i have been stuck at his father James for some time now
-Ross
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Welcome to rootschat
I think the census image more likely shows him as 9 months, compare it with the 9 in 29 in the row above
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Welcome to rootschat
I think the census image more likely shows him as 9 months, compare it with the 9 in 29 in the row above
Hi Rosie, you are correct that was my mistake, I have updated it to save confusion, however it is his father James I am struggling to Locate any information on before 1851
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Welcome to Rootschat
Benjamin was older that 2mths
Benjamin Gilbanks September qtr 1850 Penrith Volume 25 Page 153 - mothers maiden name Reid
Hi Carole, you are correct I do have Benjamin's birth Certificate and I must have entered it incorrectly.
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Do you have James & Hannah's marriage certificate.
Just linking the other post about this family by another rootschatter
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836730.0
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Do you have James & Hannah's marriage certificate.
Just linking the other post about this family by another rootschatter
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836730.0
Jim has been helping me on my search, but I posted this topic as I have all the information to hand. however I have not located a marriage certificate as of yet unfortunately.
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James in 1841?
1841 Census
St Bee
William Mackreth 25 Bleacher
Elizabeth Mackreth 50
Elizabeth Mackreth 25
Mary Mackreth 1
Elizabeth Mackreth 0
James Gilbanks 25 M S
Jane Lawson 25
All born Cumberland
Above I found on Familysearch. Anc has him as James GILBURKS
I cant find a on line Marriage either.
Trish :)
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James in 1841?
1841 Census
St Bee
William Mackreth 25 Bleacher
Elizabeth Mackreth 50
Elizabeth Mackreth 25
Mary Mackreth 1
Elizabeth Mackreth 0
James Gilbanks 25 M S
Jane Lawson 25
All born Cumberland
Above I found on Familysearch. Anc has him as James GILBURKS
I cant find a on line Marriage either.
Trish :)
Hi Trish, sorry for the long delayed reply! This one is interesting, as it has potential however lacks information to be able to link it anywhere.
I will do some digging and see what I can find. Thank you for this info!
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Better late than never as they say ;D
All the best,
Trish :)
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Better late than never as they say ;D
All the best,
Trish :)
I will try and contact Cumbria Archives in Carlisle, as i have the 1851 Census I will see if they can find anything going from the 30th of March 1851 back at the workhouse and see if they come up with any information. As this is the last place I 00% know they were, hopefully they can help otherwise its paying a researcher when the Archives re-opens to the public.
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Good luck Ross :)