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Title: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: MulhollandHart on Saturday 17 October 20 12:04 BST (UK)
Morning all, could you have a look at the picture before and help me work out where Ellen is from?
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Saturday 17 October 20 14:32 BST (UK)

The parish may be Tullyniskan.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/tullyniskan2/
There's a townland called Derry in it.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-middle/tullyniskan/derry/

No idea about the rest of the residence address which appears to be in brackets.

KG

Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 17 October 20 15:17 BST (UK)
Derry (otherwise Derryvale)
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: MulhollandHart on Saturday 17 October 20 17:56 BST (UK)
Still can't find them, so annoying, why didnt they have typewriters, lol
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 17 October 20 19:23 BST (UK)
Still can't find them, so annoying, why didnt they have typewriters, lol

You asked for Ellen's residence at the time of marriage which we were able to decipher but what are you looking for now?
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: MulhollandHart on Sunday 18 October 20 07:30 BST (UK)
I am trying to trace her family, looking for Robert and any other family there
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Sunday 18 October 20 10:25 BST (UK)
Family were in Drumenagh in 1888:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02499/1926849.pdf


1901 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Drumenag/1736200/



1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Drumenagh/865165/


Griffiths Valuation for 1860 has a John Farrell residing in Drumenagh. Possibly the father of the John who married in 1886.

The Blair family maybe hard to trace. Being a labourer Robert may have moved around to follow the available work.
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: MulhollandHart on Sunday 18 October 20 10:29 BST (UK)
There are so many blair's and I can't find any trace of him at all. John I have traced back a bit (and forward) I was interested to see more about the Blair's, thank you for you help
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 18 October 20 10:52 BST (UK)
I may have found the correct Robert Blair's family but bear with me because it's a bit complicated.

Starting with the marriage (1886) of John Farrell & Ellen Blair- her father Robert Blair a labourer and one of th witnesses a William Blair.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10848/5960957.pdf

1901 and 1911 census records for the Farrells give Ellen as born c1867 but I think she was a little bit older than that.

I went through details of Farrell children hoping Ellen's mother might have been informant, etc. but no such luck. Then started looking for Robert Blair and William Blair in the area- found a few which I made notes on but nothing to confirm a link at that point.

Then, I found an online tree- turns out it's incorrect but did provide clues and link to Blairs I've already made notes on. So, here's the gist of the incorrect tree-
Ellen's father Robert Balir died c1863, a half-brother Robert Blair (no date of birth but wife c1841) married 1863 Eliza Hughes & one other un-named woman.

Next post is my version (with sources).
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 18 October 20 11:13 BST (UK)
The marriage of Robert Blair and Elizabeth/Eliza Hughes easily found but his father is Richard Blair, dead (not Robert) which means he's unlikely to be Ellen's brother/half brother. Robert is a widower living at, I think, Bovain.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1863/09650/5499792.pdf

So, looking for Robert's 1st marriage (in case father's name is incorrect) I found this one-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09369/5393038.pdf
Robert Blair, age 22 (so born c1827), married Ellenor Rice, daughter of Charles Rice. His father again listed as Richard Blair.
Remember that one of Ellen Farrell's older daughters called Norah (a form of Eleanor as is Ellen) and she had a son called Charles.

This is how I think the family tree goes-
Richard Blair (d.before 1863)
1. Robert Blair (c1827) m.(1849) Ellenor Rice (d.by 1863), m.(1863) Elizabeth Hughes
     1. Ellen Blair (born before 1863? of daughter of Ellenor Rice)
     2. William Blair, witness to Ellen's 1886 marriage-possibly her brother/half brother

Now, back to Robert Blair's 2nd marriage to Elizabeth Hughes. There weren't a lot of Robert Blairs in Dungannon registration district (only 3 deaths) and I found this one early on-
Robert Blair died just before 1901 census- 7 Jan.1901 Ballynakilly, age 65, married, informant was a daughter Mary A.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05740/4620581.pdf

There's a widow Eliza Blair in Ballynakilly in 1901 and 1911-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Ballynakilly/1736002/
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Ballynakilly/864992/ (says she an old age pension so would be worth looking for pension extract.
Possibly her death?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05175/4428151.pdf

Going back to Robert Blair's death- informant was daughter Mary A. Mc_ (hard to read) but here's her married in 1877- note bride's residence was Derry.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11140/8079720.pdf

more to follow...
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: MulhollandHart on Sunday 18 October 20 11:23 BST (UK)
You are a complete superstar for putting that together, thats A MAZ ZING!!!!
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 18 October 20 11:24 BST (UK)
Not finished yet so keep checking back  ;)
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 19 October 20 11:38 BST (UK)
Brief online-

Robert Blair (c1836?-7 Jan.1901 Ballynakilly), son of Richard Blair, m.1 (1849) Ellenor Rice (d.bef.1863); m.2 (12 Oct.1863 Killyman Parish Church) Elizabeth Hughes (c1841-1918?)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1863/09650/5499792.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05740/4620581.pdf
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Ballynakilly/1736002/
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Ballynakilly/864992/
? https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05175/4428151.pdf
1.   Mary Ann Blair (c1857-21 June 1913 Belfast) m.(1877) Robert John McStravick (c1858-19 Feb.1916 Belfast)- children: Robert Thomas, Elizabeth, Robert John, Francis, Thomas, 3 stillborn children
2.   Sarah Blair m. William Thompson- child: William
3.   Ellen Blair m.(1886) John Farrell
4.   ? William Blair
Children of Robert & Elizabeth?
1.   Eliza Jane Blair (1864-?1866)
2.   Catherine Blair (1866-?1866)
3.   Robert Thomas Blair (1867)
4.   Catherine Blair (1869)
5.   Eliza Jane Blair (1872) m.(1889) Thomas McCann- ch.: John, Annie, Maggie, Margaret Jane
6.   Son (10 Sept.1877 Derry, Tyrone) daughter
7.   Margaret Blair (c1879-1893 Belfast)
8.   John Blair (14 July 1880 Belfast-1890 Belfast)

Lots more details on the family but too much to post here so PM me your email address if you'd like the complete notes.
Title: Re: Help please with my Ellen and Robert Blair
Post by: MulhollandHart on Monday 19 October 20 15:25 BST (UK)
You are so good, thank you so much