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I am looking for details of him, got him in the censuses 1841- 1861 so what I am looking for is his ancestors. Also I know his wife was called Ann need when they got married and her surname. Thank you in advance. They are my 4th great grandparents
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When/where was he born on Census?
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Can’t see any census entry that includes middle name Wilford. No death entry to 1921 with that middle name nor any death in Northants (posted on the Northants board)
Please give full 1861 details and where you got his middle name from?
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Was he bapt 27 Jan 1830 Methodist Chapel, Daventry, Northamptonshire to WILLIAM/CHARLOTTE Naseby
Birth 31 Dec 1829
Father a Weaver
Note; Charlotte daughter of Susannah Wood
(FreeREG)
Married Ann SEATON 21/04/1856 West Haddon
Fathers WILLIAM Naseby a Labourer, and EDWARD Seaton a Labourer
(Anc. image of M/C)
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I cant find John/Ann 1861 Census but from a Tree it appears they went to OZ
William/Charlotte appear to have bap a Son CHARLES 6 Oct 1811, Barnsley, Yorkshire
Parents Willm. Naseby/Charlotte Wood
Cant find a Marriage.
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Poster says he has them in censuses 1841-1861??
I can see an 1851 entry for John living with parents William & Charlotte but where does Wilford feature?
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I dont know where Wilford fits in.
Nothing I can find has that 2 christian name.
Got to sign out but with post this last bit.
NASEBY, ANDREW mmn SEATON
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in DAVENTRY Volume 03B Page 94
NASEBY, FREDERICK mmn SEATON
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in DAVENTRY Volume 03B Page 106
Trish :)
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Oh well-at least I wasn't the only one who got caught on that one!
I think we're looking for John WILFORD of Naseby. Looks like he was born ~1809 or so.
Maureen
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;D ;D
1861 census Naseby, Northamptonshire.
RG 9 Piece 948 Folio 103 Page 12
John Wilford 52 born 1809
John J Wilford 22
John Wilford - Baptism 12 Jun 1808 Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Father William Wilford - Mother Elizth Wilford
Sandra
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John Wilford- Naseby - Spouse Ann Wilford
Child Sarah Wilford - 1835
1851 census Naseby, Northamptonshire.
HO107 Piece 1742 Folio 38 Page 36;
John Wilford 42 Ag Lab.
Sarah Wilford 16
John Wilford 12
Elizabeth Wilford 5
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Sorry my mistake it is John Wilford of Naseby I had got so used to putting down the other quote forgot that it should be of Naseby.
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Ooh gosh at least what I posted may be a help for someone else in the future :)
Birth Reg GRO;
WILFORD, JOHN JAMES mmn BURDETT
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in BRIXWORTH Volume 15 Page 210
1871 John has a Burdett lodger with him.
1841 Ann is not born in County.
Marriage Familysearch.Org;
7 June 1830
Ashby Magna, Leicestershire
John WILFORD to Ann BURDETT
Trish :)
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Bapts All Saints, Naseby on FreeREG to JOHN/ANN;
ELIZABETH 2 Jun 1833 (must have died)
SARAH 29 Mar 1835
JOHN JAMES 16 May 1841
ELIZABETH 5 Apr 1846
Marriage same Church;
16 Oct 1799
William WILFORD to Elizabeth GIBBS
Childrens Bapt are on FreeREG 1800-1818;Looks like William was a Weaver from last 2 Bapts.
As posted by *Sandra* John 1808 is there also
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Daug of JOHN/ANN;
MARY Wilford christened 10 Oct 1830 Ashby Magna, Leicestershire
(F/S.Org)
As they married Ashby Magna and bapt first child there Ann Burdett may be from there.
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Thanks Trish the info I have got on Mary was that she was christened 20th Feb 1831 in Naseby
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The Mary Wilford Bapt 20 Feb 1831 Naseby was the Daug of JOHN/SARAH**
(FreeREG)
1841 Census Mary (Parents JOHN/ANN) was not born in County;
John Wilford 30 Yes
Ann Wilford 30 No
Mary Wilford 10 No
Sarah Wilford 6 Yes
John Wilford 2 Yes
Trish :)
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Death Reg GRO;
WILFORD, ANN age 47
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in BUXWORTH Volume 03B Page 77
Born c 1809**
Not FreeBMD has it as Blixworth reg district
1851 Census John is down as married, 1861 a Widower.
1851 Census
Infirmary***
Northampton, Northamptonshire
ANN Wilford, Patient, Mar, Occp Housework, born Great Ashby, Leicestershire***
(1809)
1851 the Mary Wilford born c 1831 Naseby is lodging in Claybrooke, Leicestershire.
This one may have married David ANGRAVE 1853
1841 she appears to be in Claybrooke also;
Timothy Hale 60
Anna Hale 60
Richard Hale 18
Mary Willford 11 not born in County*
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I just realised you are new on here so welcome to Rootschat :)
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So did your Mary marry David ANGROVE 1853 or William BATES 1850?
1861 Census
William Bates 34
Mary Bates 30 born Great Ashby, Leicestershire***
Jane Bates 11
Mary Bates 8
Elisabeth Bates 3
Ellen Bates 11 mths
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Mine married David Angrave/Angrove depends on how they spelt it.
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Then it appears to me yours is the one Bapt 1831 Naisby to John/Sarah.
1841/1851 she is living in Leics with no parents around.
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Thanks trish thought I might have got the wrong one usually I do.
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Have I now get to do another lookup for John and Sarah?
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Maybe try another new query as you may get more replies.
I couldn't find any other children to them and someone may have access to actual image of the Bapt to check the Parents names.
Will have another look around myself but I would do the above.
As a note several Trees have have Mary, Daug of John/Ann marrying Wiiliam Bates or David Angrave.
Trish :)
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I may be clutching at straws here but looked at Timothy/Ann Hale* who Mary was with in 1841 Census.
Timothy HALL died 1842 age 65, buried 26 Aug 1842 ( born c 1777)
Married Ann PALMER 1798 Claybrooke
Children bapt Claybrooke to them;
THOMAS 1802 born 1802
RICHARD 1805, born 1804, buried 1806
SARAH 30 March 1810 born 19 Oct 1809*****
ANNE 1813 born 1812
RICHARD 1823
Large gap in children 1812-1822
Is it possible Sarah 1809 married a John Wilford and therefore Timothy/Ann are Mary Wilfords Grandparents?
Just a theory to explore more.
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I'm confused. On the marriage image for Mary WILFORD and David ANGRAVE (FMPast) 11 Sep 1853-she gives her father's name as James WILFORD (deceased).
Maureen
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I'm confused. On the marriage image for Mary WILFORD and David ANGRAVE (FMPast) 11 Sep 1853-she gives her father's name as James WILFORD (deceased).
Maureen
Got my information from familysearch as I was researching the Angrave family probably need to get the wedding certificate as I have got the BMD CODE etc.
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I guess you mean this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-SBSQ
Doesn't it say her father is James?
David's father is listed as John.
Maureen
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I guess you mean this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-SBSQ
Doesn't it say her father is James?
David's father is listed as John.
Maureen
Went searching for her baptism Censuses etc and that is where I got John. Still think I need to get certificate.
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I guess you mean this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-SBSQ
Doesn't it say her father is James?
David's father is listed as John.
Maureen
Went searching for her baptism Censuses etc and that is where I got John. Still think I need to get certificate.
Your choice,of course, but I don't think the GRO marriage cert (is that what you meant by BMD CODE etc.) would show any difference.
Kind regards,
Maureen
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Thanks Maureen it will tell me if it is James what he does and if he is still alive
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Thanks Maureen it will tell me if it is James what he does and if he is still alive
Well-no. It says he's deceased on the Parish Reg image and that's all you will get on the GRO one (without all the original handwriting) Trust me on this one. Very sorry if I sound "snippy". :)
Maureen
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No problems Maureen thought I was being snippy as well. Now I have got to look for James when was he born etc, because I think it said that she was marriageable age which I think is 21 in those days.
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I may be clutching at straws here but looked at Timothy/Ann Hale* who Mary was with in 1841 Census.
Timothy HALL died 1842 age 65, buried 26 Aug 1842 ( born c 1777)
Married Ann PALMER 1798 Claybrooke
Children bapt Claybrooke to them;
THOMAS 1802 born 1802
RICHARD 1805, born 1804, buried 1806
SARAH 30 March 1810 born 19 Oct 1809*****
ANNE 1813 born 1812
RICHARD 1823
Large gap in children 1812-1822
Is it possible Sarah 1809 married a John Wilford and therefore Timothy/Ann are Mary Wilfords Grandparents?
Just a theory to explore more.
That's a good one,Trish. :)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-LQRN
Isn't Mary with the BROWN family in 1851?
And a marriage for Sarah HALL and James WILFORD:
9 Nov 1829
Marriage Place:
Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Maureen
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Ok thanks Maureen :)
So her Father is James from the M/C 1853.
(I confess I didnt even find that marriage info!)
That leaves a Bapt problem unless the possible one to John/Sarah is transcribed wrongly?
Main thing is we know that Mary Wilford has a Father James and she is with her Grandparents in 1841.
Also Marys 1st Daug Sarah Jane was bapt 11 Apr 1850 so Illegitimate.
Trish :)
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Thought I let you know found a Sarah Wilford in the 1851 Census I do not think it is our Sarah but it could be James mother.
Event Date:
1851
Event Place:
Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Registration District:
Brixworth
Residence Note:
Back Street
Gender:
Female
Age:
72
Marital Status:
Widow
Occupation:
Pauper
Birth Year (Estimated):
1779
Birthplace:
Oddley, Leicestershire
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Page Number:
33
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
1742 / 36
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Image Identifier:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1851/4355526/00074&parentid=GBC/1851/0007234453
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Sarah Wilford Head Female 72 Oddley, Leicestershire
John Wilford Son Male 27 Naseby, Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Wilford Daughter-In-Law Female 21 Creaton, Northamptonshire
Jane Wilford Grand Daughter Female 1 Naseby, Northamptonshire