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Title: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Thursday 22 October 20 14:20 BST (UK)
I am looking for details of him, got him in the censuses 1841- 1861 so what I am looking for is his ancestors.  Also I know his wife was called Ann need when they got married and her surname.  Thank you in advance. They are my 4th great grandparents
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 October 20 14:23 BST (UK)
When/where was he born on Census?
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 22 October 20 14:50 BST (UK)
Can’t see any census entry that includes middle name Wilford.  No death entry to 1921 with that middle name nor any death in Northants (posted on the Northants board)

Please give full 1861 details and where you got his middle name from?
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 October 20 14:52 BST (UK)
Was he bapt 27 Jan 1830 Methodist Chapel, Daventry, Northamptonshire to WILLIAM/CHARLOTTE Naseby
Birth 31 Dec 1829
Father a Weaver
Note; Charlotte daughter of Susannah Wood
(FreeREG)

Married Ann SEATON 21/04/1856 West Haddon
Fathers WILLIAM Naseby a Labourer, and EDWARD Seaton a Labourer
(Anc. image of M/C)
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 October 20 15:01 BST (UK)
I cant find John/Ann 1861 Census but from a Tree it appears they went to OZ

William/Charlotte appear to have  bap a Son CHARLES    6 Oct 1811, Barnsley, Yorkshire
Parents Willm. Naseby/Charlotte Wood
Cant find a Marriage.

Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 22 October 20 15:06 BST (UK)
Poster says he has them in censuses 1841-1861??

I can see an 1851 entry for John living with parents William & Charlotte but where does Wilford feature?
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 October 20 15:10 BST (UK)
I dont know where Wilford fits in.

Nothing I can find has that 2 christian name.

Got to sign out but with post this last bit.

NASEBY, ANDREW mmn SEATON 
GRO Reference: 1858  S Quarter in DAVENTRY  Volume 03B  Page 94
NASEBY, FREDERICK mmn    SEATON 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in DAVENTRY  Volume 03B  Page 106

Trish :)

Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: MaureeninNY on Thursday 22 October 20 15:16 BST (UK)
Oh well-at least I wasn't the only one who got caught on that one!

I think we're looking for John WILFORD of Naseby. Looks like he was born ~1809 or so.

Maureen
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 22 October 20 15:23 BST (UK)
 ;D ;D

1861 census Naseby, Northamptonshire.

RG 9 Piece 948 Folio 103 Page 12

John Wilford   52 born 1809
John J Wilford   22



John Wilford - Baptism 12 Jun 1808   Naseby, Northamptonshire, England

Father William Wilford - Mother Elizth Wilford

Sandra
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 22 October 20 15:31 BST (UK)
John Wilford-    Naseby - Spouse Ann Wilford
Child Sarah Wilford  - 1835

1851 census Naseby, Northamptonshire.

HO107 Piece 1742 Folio 38 Page 36;

John Wilford   42 Ag Lab.
Sarah Wilford   16
John Wilford   12
Elizabeth Wilford 5
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Thursday 22 October 20 16:36 BST (UK)
Sorry my mistake it is John Wilford of Naseby I had got so used to putting down the other quote forgot that it should be of Naseby.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 24 October 20 12:10 BST (UK)
Ooh gosh at least what I posted may be a help for someone else in the future :)

Birth Reg GRO;

WILFORD, JOHN  JAMES mmn BURDETT 
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in BRIXWORTH  Volume 15  Page 210

1871 John has a Burdett lodger with him.

1841 Ann is not born in County.

Marriage Familysearch.Org;
7 June 1830
Ashby Magna, Leicestershire
John WILFORD to Ann BURDETT

Trish :)
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 24 October 20 12:34 BST (UK)
Bapts All Saints, Naseby on FreeREG to JOHN/ANN;
ELIZABETH 2 Jun 1833 (must have died)
SARAH 29 Mar 1835
JOHN JAMES 16 May 1841
ELIZABETH 5 Apr 1846

Marriage same Church;
16 Oct 1799
William WILFORD to Elizabeth GIBBS

Childrens Bapt are on FreeREG 1800-1818;Looks like William was a Weaver from last 2 Bapts.
As posted by *Sandra* John 1808 is there also

Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 24 October 20 12:45 BST (UK)
Daug of JOHN/ANN;
MARY Wilford christened 10 Oct 1830 Ashby Magna, Leicestershire
(F/S.Org)

As they married Ashby Magna and bapt first child there Ann Burdett may be from there.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Saturday 24 October 20 19:02 BST (UK)
Thanks Trish the info I have got on Mary was that she was christened 20th Feb 1831 in Naseby
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 25 October 20 08:43 GMT (UK)
The Mary Wilford Bapt 20 Feb 1831 Naseby was the Daug of JOHN/SARAH**
(FreeREG)

1841 Census Mary (Parents JOHN/ANN) was not born in County;
John Wilford   30 Yes
Ann Wilford   30 No
Mary Wilford   10 No
Sarah Wilford   6 Yes
John Wilford   2 Yes


Trish :)
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 25 October 20 09:08 GMT (UK)
Death Reg GRO;
WILFORD, ANN age 47 
GRO Reference: 1856  J Quarter in BUXWORTH  Volume 03B  Page 77
Born c 1809**

Not FreeBMD has it as Blixworth reg district

1851 Census John is down as married, 1861 a Widower.

1851 Census
Infirmary***
Northampton, Northamptonshire
ANN Wilford, Patient, Mar, Occp Housework, born Great Ashby, Leicestershire***
(1809)

1851 the Mary Wilford born c 1831 Naseby is lodging in Claybrooke,  Leicestershire.

This one may have married David ANGRAVE 1853

1841 she appears to be in Claybrooke also;
Timothy Hale 60
Anna Hale   60
Richard Hale 18
Mary Willford 11 not born in County*

Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 25 October 20 09:10 GMT (UK)
I just realised you are new on here so welcome to Rootschat :)
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 25 October 20 09:19 GMT (UK)
So did your Mary marry David ANGROVE 1853 or William BATES 1850?

1861 Census
William Bates 34
Mary Bates 30 born Great Ashby, Leicestershire***
Jane Bates   11
Mary Bates 8
Elisabeth Bates   3
Ellen Bates 11 mths

Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Sunday 25 October 20 09:52 GMT (UK)
Mine married David Angrave/Angrove depends on how they spelt it.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 25 October 20 10:11 GMT (UK)
Then it appears to me yours is the one Bapt 1831 Naisby to John/Sarah.

1841/1851 she is living in Leics with no parents around.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Sunday 25 October 20 11:17 GMT (UK)
Thanks trish thought I might have got the wrong one usually I do.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Monday 26 October 20 10:52 GMT (UK)
Have I now get to do another lookup for John and Sarah?
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 26 October 20 11:45 GMT (UK)
Maybe try another new query as you may get more replies.
I couldn't find any other children to them and someone may have access to actual image of the Bapt to check the Parents names.

Will have another look around myself but I would do the above.

As a note several Trees have  have Mary, Daug of John/Ann marrying Wiiliam Bates or David Angrave.

Trish :)
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 26 October 20 12:20 GMT (UK)
I may be clutching at straws here but looked at Timothy/Ann Hale* who Mary was with in 1841 Census.

Timothy HALL died 1842 age 65, buried 26 Aug 1842 ( born c 1777)

Married Ann PALMER 1798 Claybrooke

Children bapt Claybrooke to them;
THOMAS 1802 born 1802
RICHARD 1805, born 1804, buried 1806
SARAH 30 March 1810 born 19 Oct 1809*****
ANNE 1813 born 1812
RICHARD 1823
Large gap in children 1812-1822

Is it possible Sarah 1809 married a John Wilford and therefore Timothy/Ann are Mary Wilfords Grandparents?

Just a theory to explore more.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 26 October 20 12:50 GMT (UK)
I'm confused. On the marriage image for Mary WILFORD and David ANGRAVE (FMPast) 11 Sep 1853-she gives her father's name as James WILFORD (deceased).

Maureen
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Monday 26 October 20 13:41 GMT (UK)
I'm confused. On the marriage image for Mary WILFORD and David ANGRAVE (FMPast) 11 Sep 1853-she gives her father's name as James WILFORD (deceased).

Maureen
Got my information from familysearch as I was researching the Angrave family probably need to get the wedding certificate as I have got the BMD CODE etc.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 26 October 20 14:08 GMT (UK)
I guess you mean this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-SBSQ

Doesn't it say her father is James?

David's father is listed as John.

Maureen
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Monday 26 October 20 14:15 GMT (UK)
I guess you mean this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-SBSQ

Doesn't it say her father is James?

David's father is listed as John.

Maureen
Went searching for her baptism Censuses etc and that is where I got John.  Still think I need to get certificate.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 26 October 20 14:39 GMT (UK)
I guess you mean this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-SBSQ

Doesn't it say her father is James?

David's father is listed as John.

Maureen
Went searching for her baptism Censuses etc and that is where I got John.  Still think I need to get certificate.

Your choice,of course, but I don't think the GRO marriage cert (is that what you meant by  BMD CODE etc.) would show any difference.

Kind regards,
Maureen
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Monday 26 October 20 15:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks Maureen it will tell me if it is James what he does and if he is still alive
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 26 October 20 15:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks Maureen it will tell me if it is James what he does and if he is still alive

Well-no. It says he's deceased on the Parish Reg image and that's all you will get on the GRO one (without all the original handwriting)  Trust me on this one. Very sorry if I sound "snippy". :)

Maureen
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Monday 26 October 20 16:35 GMT (UK)
No problems Maureen thought I was being snippy as well.  Now I have got to look for James when was he born etc, because I think it said that she was marriageable age which I think is 21 in those days.
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: MaureeninNY on Tuesday 27 October 20 00:28 GMT (UK)
I may be clutching at straws here but looked at Timothy/Ann Hale* who Mary was with in 1841 Census.

Timothy HALL died 1842 age 65, buried 26 Aug 1842 ( born c 1777)

Married Ann PALMER 1798 Claybrooke

Children bapt Claybrooke to them;
THOMAS 1802 born 1802
RICHARD 1805, born 1804, buried 1806
SARAH 30 March 1810 born 19 Oct 1809*****
ANNE 1813 born 1812
RICHARD 1823
Large gap in children 1812-1822

Is it possible Sarah 1809 married a John Wilford and therefore Timothy/Ann are Mary Wilfords Grandparents?

Just a theory to explore more.


That's a good one,Trish. :)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-LQRN

Isn't Mary with the BROWN family in 1851?

And a marriage for Sarah HALL and James WILFORD:
9 Nov 1829

Marriage Place:
Naseby, Northamptonshire, England

Maureen



Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 27 October 20 07:45 GMT (UK)
Ok thanks Maureen :)

So her Father is James from the M/C 1853.
(I confess I didnt even find that marriage info!)

That leaves a Bapt problem unless the possible one to John/Sarah  is transcribed wrongly?

Main thing is we know that Mary Wilford has a Father James and she is with her Grandparents in 1841.

Also Marys 1st Daug Sarah Jane was bapt 11 Apr 1850 so Illegitimate.

Trish :)
Title: Re: John Wilford Naseby
Post by: weirdwizard56 on Wednesday 28 October 20 14:35 GMT (UK)
Thought I let you know found a Sarah Wilford in the 1851 Census I do not think it is our Sarah but it could be James mother.
Event Date:   
1851
Event Place:   
Naseby, Northamptonshire, England
Registration District:   
Brixworth
Residence Note:   
Back Street
Gender:   
Female
Age:   
72
Marital Status:   
Widow
Occupation:   
Pauper
Birth Year (Estimated):   
1779
Birthplace:   
Oddley, Leicestershire
Relationship to Head of Household:   
Head
Page Number:   
33
Registration Number:   
HO107
Piece/Folio:   
1742 / 36
Affiliate Record Type:   
Household
Affiliate Image Identifier:   
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1851/4355526/00074&parentid=GBC/1851/0007234453
Household   Role   Sex   Age   Birthplace
Sarah Wilford   Head   Female   72   Oddley, Leicestershire
John Wilford   Son   Male   27   Naseby, Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Wilford   Daughter-In-Law   Female   21   Creaton, Northamptonshire
Jane Wilford   Grand Daughter   Female   1   Naseby, Northamptonshire