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Title: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: jon541 on Saturday 24 October 20 18:23 BST (UK): I'm hoping someone has the expertise with Canadian records to help me track down what became of a Robert Brown who arrived in Canada in 1910. He was born 29 March 1893 in Newcastle upon Tyne, England the son of James Brown and Isabella nee Pattie but was orphaned at 6 and adopted into his uncle William Lyall's family. The Lyalls arrived in Canada in August 1910 on the Virginian and the following year Robert and his elder brother John can be seen living with the Lyalls in Vancouver. He's actually listed as "Wilbert Lyall" but I'm sure this is him, employed as "messenger". I can see a Robert Brown in 1921 too, a bachelor still and a boarder, employed as a telegraph operator at Shuswap Lake, B.C.

I have access to Ancestry and Findmypast subscriptions but I can't really see any resources there that would help me follow the trail further. Hence my throwing myself on the mercy of any BC experts here who might be able to help me! Any info on Robert, or indeed on brother John or the Lyalls would be much appreciated.

Jon
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 October 20 18:49 BST (UK): John Brown born 1884 married Henrietta Porteous Foster 1913 Vancouver British Columbia
Father James Brown - Mother Isabella Pattie.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HKDC-7PT2

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 October 20 18:50 BST (UK): Henrietta Porteous Brown died 12 July 1952 Vancouver British Columbia

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLPZ-K5S

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 October 20 18:52 BST (UK): Death Certificate for Henriette Porteous Brown - informant husband John Brown
174 Paverill Avenue Vancouver British Columbia

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pz7/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: dbree on Saturday 24 October 20 18:58 BST (UK): Hi,

Robert marries in Vernon, BC in Sept. 1940 to Lorna Goodenough.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/2beec820-9e21-4fae-81d0-bf070b19f8e0

Robert dies in Kelowna BC in April 1966.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/f76b46ac-9389-4ea8-9b88-3fdffe423230

DB
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: jon541 on Saturday 24 October 20 20:47 BST (UK): Sandra and DB! I am astonished at what you have managed to dig up for me as I really thought that my post was a long shot at best given how common the surname Brown is.

Thank you so much. If you ever need any reciprocal research doing on this side of 'the pond' do let me know and I'll be happy to help.

A happy and grateful Jon
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 October 20 21:04 BST (UK): Sorry, unexpected visitors - following on from Dbree :)

FIND A GRAVE

Robert Brown - 1893 - 1966 and Lorna Doan 1915 - 1990
Kelowna Memorial Park Cemetery
Kelowna, Central Okanagan Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Show Map
PLOT C 4 85 80

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/110500823/robert-brown

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 24 October 20 21:08 BST (UK): Lorna wife of Robert remarried -

Obituary for Lorna Doan - Calgary Herald
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
08 Aug 1990, Wed Page 29

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61741985/lorna-doan-8-august-1990/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: jon541 on Sunday 25 October 20 01:09 BST (UK): Sandra, thanks again for this great information. You've made my day with this! :)

Jon
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: dbree on Sunday 25 October 20 01:16 GMT (UK): Hi,

You're welcome :)

No luck finding a death for John.

DB
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:02 GMT (UK): Well done Dbree :) - yes John Brown certainly illusive at mo. :-\

These might help you with the Lyall family.

On the Lyall side - 1911 Census Vancouver shows

George Lyall   29 Janitor. Imm 1910.
Cristanna (should be Christine) Lyall   27 Imm 1910
Fred Lyall   1 (should be Frances) Imm 1910
Wilbert Lyall 18 Nephew. Manager. telegraph. Imm 1910
William Gaylar   36
Waltie Brown   24 Lodger. Carpenter. Imm 1911
John Brown   28 Lodger. Carpenter. Imm 1911

just above them

William Lyall born 1847. Imm 1910. Retired.
William Lyall born 1878. Imm 1910. Motorman.
Isabella Lyall born 1879. Imm 1910.

George Lyall marriage - registered June 1909

BLACK    Christina        Newcastle T.    10b   138

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:09 GMT (UK): 1921 census Vancouver

Samuel Cain   35 born Isle of Man 1886. Motorman.
Isabella Cain   40 born 1881. Father William Lyall.
Isabel Cain   4
William Lyall   73 born 1848. widowed. father-in-law.
William Lyall   45 born 1876. brother-in-law.

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002867846

Samuel Cain married    Isabel Lyall - Marriage Date 1 May 1912 Vancouver. 6/9/1912

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/8e2e7ff2-d7e1-4c43-876a-8353c86366da

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:12 GMT (UK): William Lyall -

The Vancouver Sun Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
16 Nov 1936, Mon Page 11

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61783104/william-lyall-16-november-1936/

William Lyall - Spouse Name Jennie Dye - Marriage Date 17 Jan 1925 Vancouver

Jane Lyall - The San Francisco Examiner
San Francisco, California
07 Dec 1952, Sun Page 51

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61783458/obituary-for-jane-lyall/

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VP7F-PMC

California Naturalization (with photograph)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2SR-R1R1

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBVZ-WDX?i=490&cc=1849982&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ2SR-R1R1

1940 census - San Francisco

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K98Y-JGQ

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:13 GMT (UK): FIND A GRAVE

William Lyall (Snr ?) - died 24 September 1923

Mountain View Cemetery
Vancouver, Greater Vancouver Regional District, British Columbia.
PLOT 1919/*/C/023/0012

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/26317987/william-lyall

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:15 GMT (UK): Death Notice William Lyall - Vancouver Daily World
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
22 Sep 1923, Sat Page 13

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61783172/william-lyall-22-september-1923/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:18 GMT (UK): Obituary Samuel Cain - The Province
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
25 Jun 1960, Sat Page 44

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61783209/samuel-cain-25-june-1960/

Daughter was the informant on the death certificate.

Death Certificate :- http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/7ad2a9d2-4dfb-41ec-93ed-992e24bb9ff6

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:22 GMT (UK): FIND A GRAVE

Samuel Cain - 1886 - 1960

Mountain View Cemetery
Vancouver, Greater Vancouver Regional District, British Columbia.
PLOT KP/*/*/037/0005

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/26261707/samuel-cain

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 10:29 GMT (UK): Obituary Isabella Elliott Lyall Cain - The Vancouver Sun
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
14 Jun 1962, Thu Page 48

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61783316/isabella-cain-14-june-1962/

FIND A GRAVE

Mountain View Cemetery
Vancouver, Greater Vancouver Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
PLOT KP/*/*/037/0005

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/26301180/isabella-elliott-cain

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLT8-VYD

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: jon541 on Sunday 25 October 20 11:30 GMT (UK): Thanks again to both of you. I had seen the census 1911/21 census entries and the grave of William Lyall Snr. (d. 1923) but none of the rest of this amazing info so many many thanks for taking the time out to help a fellow researcher :-). It's very satisying to be able to track down individuals who left few clues to their lives, had common names, and upped sticks to the other side of the world.

Jon
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: dbree on Sunday 25 October 20 11:56 GMT (UK): Well done Sandra :)
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 13:24 GMT (UK): One more to fill the gaps - obituary/death notice for Henrietta Porteous Brown -

The Vancouver Sun
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
14 Jul 1952, Mon Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61787437/henrietta-brown-14-july-1952/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 13:36 GMT (UK): 1921 census New Westminster British Columbia.

John Brown 36 born Eng. Carpenter.
Henriette Portson Brown 40
Thomas Foster Brown 6 born 1915

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 13:38 GMT (UK): Thomas Foster Brown married Gladys Elizabeth Hill - 17/4/1941 Vancouver British Columbia.

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/a2bc9d64-5696-4df5-984d-14684a59b2a3

Canada Voters List 1974 shows the couple living at 3705 Carson Street Richmond Burnaby - Thomas F Brown was a detective. Mrs Gladys E Brown living at same address.

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 13:40 GMT (UK): Obituary for Thomas Foster Brown - son of John Brown and Henrietta Porteous. 2 March 2005

https://vancouversunandprovince.remembering.ca/obituary/thomas-brown-1066098816

The Vancouver Sun
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
10 Mar 2005, Thu Page 73

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61788318/thomas-foster-brown-10-march-2005/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 13:43 GMT (UK): Death Certificate for Gladys Elizabeth Brown - 26 March 1996 Royal Columbian Hospital New Westminster. Forest Lawn Memorial Park. Burnaby.

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/1d6c09a8-09c5-4170-85d9-efe5f8f9e90f

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/7055bbc7-e4f5-4a0d-be8a-0aa0b2d8c438

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 14:07 GMT (UK): Just to note that Thomas F and Gladys E Brown were living at 121 Peverill Avenue Vancouver in 1962.
No sign of father John.

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: jon541 on Sunday 25 October 20 17:27 GMT (UK): Thank you Sandra. Thanks to you, I now how a wealth of information on the B.C. Browns. It does seem a bit of a mystery what became of John after 1952. It would seem most likely that he died in B.C. and at some time in the 50s or 60s. Again, it doesn't really help having a name like 'John Brown'. At least the Canadian Browns conquered the family's apparent aversion to having middle names which always make the genealogist's life a little easier!
Title: Re: Robert Brown, BC immigrant in 1910
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 25 October 20 19:30 GMT (UK): Considering a common surname of Brown, you did remarkably well to get as much information as you did. Canada has quite strict privacy laws. :)

Sandra

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