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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: durhamgirl73 on Saturday 24 October 20 20:20 BST (UK)
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I am so close to finding a dna connection but I can't find that final piece of the puzzle. Hoping you wonderful people can help ;D
Thomas Macnay married Alice Waggett 1809 Newcastle-upon-Tyne
son Thomas is my ancestor
son Joseph (1826 Wallsend) is an ancestor of a dna match received today
1851 census for son Joseph Macnay:
Piece 2392 Folio 440 Page 41
on this census there is an Alice Laws (9) and I'm wondering if Alice is sister to Ann Laws who is on the tree of an unknown match.
Ann Laws married Anthony Parkin in 1857 Durham
I was wondering if:
Alice and Ann are siblings?
Alice is Joseph's niece?
Joseph has a sibling who married a Laws?
Thankyou :)
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Personally, I think links to census' are far easier for others when helping.
Can you please list all in the household in 1851 with their details & relationship to Head?
Have you found all in 1841 which may help with discovering more about relationships & have you found the birth for Alice Laws?
Annie
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1851 census for son Joseph Macnay: Piece 2392 Folio 440 Page 41
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGBR-P5X
Christening of Joseph: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:C6B9-692M
Jamjar
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information for Joseph Macnay
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/9KVG-CDC
dna match has parents of Ann Laws (born c1837) as Thomas Laws and Dorothy Smith.
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Joseph’s wife was Mary née Jackson:
Dec 1845 Chester le St 24 34
MCNAY Joseph
JACKSON Mary
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5R5-QZ2
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27V-ZHXY
MACNAY, ELIZABETH ALICE mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 24 Page 124
MCNAY, BESSEY mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 24 Page 157
MCNAY, THOMAS mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 213
MCNAY, SARAH ANN mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 234
MACNAY, LIDDELL mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 99
MACNAY, JOSEPH mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 88
Death:
MACNAY, JOSEPH 3
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 110
MACNAY, ISABEL mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 209
Jamjar
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I have this information but thankyou for looking - it is a connection of Ann/Alice Laws to the Macnays that I am looking for.
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Alice is a servant on the 1851 census. So, why do you think she is relative of the MacNays?
1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBJ-RLX
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJT-T7G
Christening of Thomas: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWNS-L6R
Possible death of Dorothy:
LAWS, DOROTHY 37
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 60
Possible death of Thomas:
LAWS, THOMAS 65
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 224
Children:
LAWS, MATTHEW mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 63
LAWS, FRANCES mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 73
LAWS, SARAH mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 93
LAWS, WILLIAM mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 81
LAWS, THOMAS LAWS mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 95
Jamjar
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Census 1851 @ Haswell Durham
McNAY Joseph head 25y coal miner b. North Wallsend Northumberland
McNay Mary wife 26y b. Hebron Durham
McNAY Alace 3y b. Haswell Durham
McNAY Elizabeth 2y b. Haswell Durham
McNAY William 4m b. Haswell Durham
LAWS Alace servant 9y b. Wrekenton Durham
Look for a LAWS / McNAY / JACKSON born Wrekenton, Durham ....in earlier/later Census...also marriages for these family name combinations....to account for Alice LAWS.
Using GRO I am not seeing birth for Alice LAWS. Where is Alice in Census 1861?
Is this the 1857 marriage? I am not seeing a PARKIN marriage.
What do you see on this document? -
FreeBDM SepQ 1857 Durham VoL 10a page 307
Ann LAWS mar. Anthony PARKER
....church...names...dates...occupations...witesses....place names.....
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Using GRO I am not seeing birth for Alice LAWS. Where is Alice in Census 1861?
Me neither. I wonder if she is Frances?
Jamjar
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Parish Church Shincliffe
Anthony Parker, bach, blacksmith. new Shincliffe, father, Anthony Parker, a Labourer
Ann Laws, spinster, New Shincliffe, father Thomas Laws, a labourer
Witnesses. Elizabeth Douglas and James Douglas, both signed
Bride & Groom marked
Added. James Douglas is a regular witness
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Thankyou everyone.
I have a 3-4 cousin dna match 154cM across 4 segments - the majority of shared matched I can connect to the Macnays - other people match to Sarah Parkin (1865) parents Anthony Parkin and Ann Laws - when I saw an Alice Laws on the 1851 census with Joseph Macnay, son of Thomas and Alice, I thought there could be some link to Ann and Alice as they were close in age so could be sisters - although Alice is recorded as servant I thought she could be related possibly a niece
So looking at the marriage record you found Ann's dad is Thomas Laws.
Is there a marriage record for Thomas Laws and Dorothy Smith?
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1841 census the Macnays were living in Wrekenton
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Marriage of Thomas Laws to Dorothy Smith in Penshaw 15 Nov 1834. Is this what you are looking for?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCX3-D9F?i=496&wc=9K5S-BZS%3A13618101%2C30639601%2C30652501&cc=1309819
One of the witnesses is a Matthew Laws.
William
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Thankyou
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One possible Alice.
Thomas McNay has a daughter Mary McNay who marries a William Days, 18 May 1840 Gateshead. Some family trees on Ancestry have kindly posted the marriage cert.
William and Mary Days have a daughter Alice, baptised Lamesley 1 June 1842. Abode is Eighton Banks, right next to Wrekenton.
William and Mary Days are living in Haswell in 1851, same township as Joseph and Mary McNay, but no Alice with them. Joseph McNay and Mary Days are both down as born Wallsend, Northumberland.
Alice Days reappears in 1861 age 19, born Wrekenton. According to various trees she marries a George Henderson in 1862 and subsequently gives her place of birth as Wrekenton in most later census.
Days - Laws ?
Alan.
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Thankyou - I've added Alice to the Days family :)