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Title: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: robert g shaw on Sunday 25 October 20 09:21 GMT (UK)
Hi

Im not sure what this means, Thomas married "unknown" and produced an issue "tempest" , was Tempest an actual name or a word used to describe an illegitimate or unrecognised member of the family?

I can find no record of Tempest being used as a christian name, we are talking late 15th/early 16th century.

Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: heywood on Sunday 25 October 20 09:36 GMT (UK)
I would think it a name.
Ancestry - England, Select births and Christenings shows  7 Tempests Born 1600 +/- 10 years.
There are more if you move forward 100 years.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 25 October 20 09:38 GMT (UK)
A quick Google search turns up:

Tempest
Feminine name
usage - rare.

https://www.behindthename.com/name/tempest
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: heywood on Sunday 25 October 20 09:41 GMT (UK)
The ones I refer to are male.

Family Search shows several Tempests too.  :)
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 25 October 20 09:45 GMT (UK)
Yes, It's a forename as well as a surname.  Possibly a child named for an ancestor.  I have two in one of my family trees.

Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: robert g shaw on Sunday 25 October 20 10:00 GMT (UK)
The ones I refer to are male.

Family Search shows several Tempests too.  :)

I didnt find any on Family Search, but i had a location of Lancashire.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: robert g shaw on Sunday 25 October 20 10:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone, thats clarified that.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 25 October 20 10:11 GMT (UK)
The two children in my tree were born in South Africa, but their grandmother Ann Tempest came from Yorkshire.  Ann's husband was a Wesleyan Missionary, again from Yorkshire, who went out to SA in 1819.

Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Sunday 25 October 20 12:43 GMT (UK)
  BumbleB - your people who went to South Africa; did they end up in Natal? My S. African daughter in law has 2 lines of Yorkshire ancestry. It seems there was a lot of emigration from there?
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 25 October 20 12:46 GMT (UK)
TOTH - yes they did.  My Missionary was Mayor of PMB for a number of years - James Archbell.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Sunday 25 October 20 13:32 GMT (UK)
  D-in-law's home town, though her ancestors went out later, about 1860.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 25 October 20 13:49 GMT (UK)
I think that James was mayor at that time then, he died in 1866.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 25 October 20 14:36 GMT (UK)
Might the tree relate to "Tempest Shawe, bap 6 Jan 1596, father Thomas, Parish St Mary le Strand"?
Transcript only - doesn't indicate whether "son/daughter"
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 25 October 20 14:56 GMT (UK)
Image on Ancestry = Tempest, daughter of Thomas.



Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: heywood on Sunday 25 October 20 15:24 GMT (UK)
Might the tree relate to "Tempest Shawe, bap 6 Jan 1596, father Thomas, Parish St Mary le Strand"?
Transcript only - doesn't indicate whether "son/daughter"

Robert mentions Lancashire.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 25 October 20 15:27 GMT (UK)
I knew a young woman with the first name of "Tempest" in Lancashire, a few decades ago. It was a family name, she said at the time. It was also a surname I met a few times over there.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: heywood on Sunday 25 October 20 17:09 GMT (UK)
I can just imagine a Lancashire mother at the door, calling ‘our Tempest, you’re tea’s ready!’  ;)
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Post by: Pennines on Sunday 25 October 20 19:30 GMT (UK)
I can remember a previous query some years ago about someone named Tempest.

This must have been a Tempest living close to the Lancs/Yorks Border. It sticks in my mind because just past Thornton in Craven, virtually on the border of the 2 counties -- is a pub named the Tempest Arms.

And no - I didn't frequent it -- just drove past it many times on the way from Lancs to Leeds.

I know this is a meaningless addition as regards the query - but I just went on Lancs OPC and input a christian name (any event) of 'Tempest' -- and there were 208 results.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: barryd on Sunday 25 October 20 21:44 GMT (UK)
Free BMD England Wales. I tried Tempest as a surname 1837- 1900 and it gave me following -

Sorry, that search found 5724 matches and the maximum number that can be displayed is 3000.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: barryd on Sunday 25 October 20 22:09 GMT (UK)
And as s a first name 1837-1900 and still going strong on Free BMD. 
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: robert g shaw on Monday 26 October 20 08:31 GMT (UK)
Free BMD England Wales. I tried Tempest as a surname 1837- 1900 and it gave me following -

Sorry, that search found 5724 matches and the maximum number that can be displayed is 3000.

Ok its the first time ive come across the forename "Tempest", but my dates between the late 1400's and early 1500's.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: robert g shaw on Monday 26 October 20 08:34 GMT (UK)
Might the tree relate to "Tempest Shawe, bap 6 Jan 1596, father Thomas, Parish St Mary le Strand"?
Transcript only - doesn't indicate whether "son/daughter"

Robert mentions Lancashire.

That name and date fits what im looking for, but you are correct, its lancashire.. Rivington/Heath Charnock areas, not London. Theres no mention of London in this pedigree tree.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: BashLad on Saturday 31 October 20 19:32 GMT (UK)
Lanopc has 208 tempests being baptised, married or buried between 1605 and 1913 in Lancs; almost all of them male. Seems most common in East Lancashire which is funny cause I've noticed one or two other weird names coming from the area.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 31 October 20 20:48 GMT (UK)
Bashlad -- I did mention the number of people named Tempest shown on LancsOPC in an earlier post - also the pub on the Lancs/Yorks border - and that is East Lancs/West Yorks border!

I do still wonder though, about it's origins in that area. It does seem strange that parents will think -- what shall we name the baby -- oh I know - what about Tempest!

Maybe it originally came from a surname way back - although it doesn't fit the normal criteria for the adoption of surnames back in the day.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: BashLad on Saturday 31 October 20 21:07 GMT (UK)
There was a fairly well off family called Tempest (hence the pub).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Tempest

Barlick being historically Yorkshire and now Lancs so they're in the right area as you say East Lancashire and West Yorkshire arguably being more their own hill region rather than plains Lancashire and Yorkshire proper.

Also early 1600s would be around the time Shakespeare published his play which seems a little coincidental. Unless someone can find a lot of Tempest as a forename earlier than the 1600s.

*I didn't see your post.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 01 November 20 10:28 GMT (UK)
Bashlad -- thank you SO much for the link - (it's made me forgive you for ignoring my post!!)

The history of the Tempest family is really interesting - I am surprised I have never heard of them before. Also (and I know this is off topic) -- the place mentioned in that Tempest history, named Bracewell and Brogden - seemingly in the Pendle area -- never, never heard of it!

Every day is a school day.

Thank you again for the link.
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 01 November 20 14:39 GMT (UK)
The Pub mentioned - the "Tempest Arms" - used to be quite a handy stop for lunch, - in the "good old days".
Title: Re: tempest? what does that mean?
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 01 November 20 16:13 GMT (UK)
TY -- I have just looked at the Tempest Arms website -- looks like they are closing during this forthcoming lockdown.

I hadn't realised it was a 17th century building actually.