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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Westy11 on Sunday 25 October 20 17:30 GMT (UK)
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The attached clipping was taken from London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1930 for Zebulon Newington. Zebulon was a Surgeon & Apothecary as was his father Samuel.
The one word I am unable to discern is as follows "This is to Certify that Mr Zebulon Newington was made free of the ? Company this 30th day of June 1802. Jn White Clk"
Any ideas?
Westy
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Saviors?
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Paviors? But he’s a surgeon :-\
I thought at first Pensions ???
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The Paviors Company https://www.paviors.org.uk/
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Sounds feasible Edward. I wonder what others think? I really have no basis to make an informed judgement..
I will post the bottom half of the clipping as that may give a few more words.
Westy
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I prefer Paviors, the S's are quite different from the 'P'
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Had a look at the Company at the supplied ink and it notes " Records of the Paviors date back to 1280, when Paviors were first made responsible for the repair and cleaning of London’s streets and pavements. The trade included ‘gong ferming’, the emptying and cleansing of privies, a profitable business carried out in appalling conditions. In 1302, four Paviors were appointed as Surveyors of Pavements to regulate the making of pavements; further surveyors were appointed in 1311, not all of whom were Paviors, and this led to conflicts of interest between guilds."
I didn't see anything that seemed linked to Surgeons & Apothcary however its possible I missed something?
Westy
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Had a look at the Company at the supplied ink and it notes " Records of the Paviors date back to 1280, when Paviors were first made responsible for the repair and cleaning of London’s streets and pavements. The trade included ‘gong ferming’, the emptying and cleansing of privies, a profitable business carried out in appalling conditions. In 1302, four Paviors were appointed as Surveyors of Pavements to regulate the making of pavements; further surveyors were appointed in 1311, not all of whom were Paviors, and this led to conflicts of interest between guilds."
I didn't see anything that seemed linked to Surgeons & Apothcary however its possible I missed something?
Westy
People's actual occupations didn't necessarily bear any relation to the livery company they were admitted into.
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The previous document in the series (14 / 1420) also relates to the same person and "Company of Paviors" is much clearer on that one.
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It just seems such an odd combination ???
However others seem sure of the word and I have no idea.
Thanks one and all.
Westy
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It just seems such an odd combination ???
However others seem sure of the word and I have no idea.
Thanks one and all.
Westy
The answers from JenB, Edward (his second reply), Mike and telix all give the correct interpretation.
By the beginning of the nineteenth century the links between the Worshipful Companies and their nominal trades were tenuous. See my reply #6 here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=828436.msg6925211#msg6925211
The other document (as mentioned by telix) says that he joined the Paviours by Redemption.
That is, he bought his way into the Freedom without having a close association with the Company through Service (an apprenticeship) or Patrimony (having his father in the Company).
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Thank you for the expanded explanation.
Westy