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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: Gillg on Tuesday 27 October 20 12:10 GMT (UK)
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There are too many people appearing on TV whose masks don't fit properly! As they speak, their masks move down their faces until the whole nose is exposed, making mask wearing pointless They constantly adjust their masks, too, thus ignoring the advice not to touch them.
Make sure your mask is a good fit and tighten up the strings if it keeps slipping down when you are talking!
I find that when I look down when wearing my mask, for example when I'm looking in my purse or at a price ticket on a low shelf, my mask pokes into my eyes. Haven't solved that one yet. :(
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I cannot understand why anyone would believe that wearing a mask is somehow protecting them . It is much more likely to be damaging your health. Hopefully the results of the Danish randomised controlled trial into the effects of mask wearing will soon be published.
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Some people might still believe that but most of us believe that the mask is to protect other people from our coughing and sneezing.
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Most reasonable people who are coughing and sneezing would either remain at home or at least take the normal precaution of using a handkerchief. Coughing and sneezing into a mask sounds particularly unhygienic.
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I recently stopped wearing a mask as my specs were constantly misted up. I have bought a pack of the plastic face shields and find them so much better.
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Thankfully, we don't have to wear them! ;D
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Donald Trump was against masks, what happened to him & his entourage! ;D
Skoosh.
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I went to the doctor yesterday.
An elderly lady was there, filling in a form - I think she was registering as a patient.
Her mask was warming her chin.
She took the form to the reception desk, still with mask warming her chin - they said nothing to her. She was possibly a little confused so maybe they thought it wasn't worth it. A five minute discussion was had about allergies - she thought she had some but couldn't remember what, and couldn't quite understand why this needed to be provided.
And then there was the lady in superdrug, again with a chin warmer, coughing away over one of the make up displays.
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I recently stopped wearing a mask as my specs were constantly misted up. I have bought a pack of the plastic face shields and find them so much better.
Rub a bit of dry soap on both sides of the lenses, then polish off with soft cloth. Soap breaks down the surface tension of water - no misting!
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"I cannot understand why anyone would believe that wearing a mask is somehow protecting them"
That sounds like some sort of cognitive problem to me.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-27/which-face-mask-works-best-filmed-people-sneezing-coughing/12494174
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You couldn't be more wrong Erato. It is somebody who has spent a lot of time and put much effort into researching this issue. There are serious issues associated with wearing of masks and no obvious protective element in respect of viral protection. We are all awaiting publication of this year's randomised Danish study, the only such study, but initial indications suggest that it is unlikely to support the wearing of masks as a protective measure by the general public.
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Thanks for that tip re soap Lisa - will give it a go after my experience just now. Shields are fine but not in wet weather!!
Pouring with rain here so popped plastic shield in my shopping bag & put it on when I got under cover.
BUT - Supermarket has changed system - trolleys now outside round the corner - not inside - so off with shield to collect trolley.
Shield back on - start shopping & realise have left my handbag in car - my own fault. Sometimes a mask has more attraction!!
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There are serious issues associated with wearing of masks
So what are those issues deemed to be?
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I'm not a great fan of masks, but I am essentially a conformist, so when they appeared on the horizon I put some thought, care and time into designing and making masks that sat properly on my nose, just under where the lower edge of my lenses rest, so didn't steam up much, fitted closely where they had to, reasonable filtration via the fabric layers, didn't detach my spectacles when I took the mask ( never the specs!) off or on, and didn't saw my ears off with the elastic.
The only other change is, after several friends had lost earrings because of masks, I've simply stopped wearing earrings if I have to go outside! Saves losing them.
I also get very irritated at people with "chin cosies" and "neck cosies", it's not that hard to modify the darn things to sit in place ..... if you want to.
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I cannot understand why anyone would believe that wearing a mask is somehow protecting them . It is much more likely to be damaging your health. Hopefully the results of the Danish randomised controlled trial into the effects of mask wearing will soon be published.
The main reason for wearing a face-covering when in an enclosed public space is to protect other people, not to protect oneself.
The Danish study looked at the extent to which wearing a mask protected the mask-wearer, not at effects on people who were near a mask-wearer.
Reports I've read online about the Danish study are all from right-leaning sources and most have a "mixed" rating on factual reliability.
As I understand it, the study is currently being peer-reviewed prior to publication in a medical journal.
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I recently stopped wearing a mask as my specs were constantly misted up. I have bought a pack of the plastic face shields and find them so much better.
Rub a bit of dry soap on both sides of the lenses, then polish off with soft cloth. Soap breaks down the surface tension of water - no misting!
Thanks for the tip, Lisa. My husband will be very pleased if it works for him. :)
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Like it or not, like them or not, face masks are mandatory in certain circumstances so we just have to grin and bear it for now and wear them when required.
However, I am more convinced than ever we will, after all this is over, see a new condition called "pinch nose", caused entirely by people constantly squeezing the top of the mask over their nose to ensure it stays in place.
If your glasses steam up whilst wearing a mask then you're not wearing it properly, according to my wife.
:)
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If your glasses steam up whilst wearing a mask then you're not wearing it properly, according to my wife.
If it covers my nose & it covers my mouth/chin - how else can it be worn? There are many others with the same problem so I'm sure we would all like to know
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I drove the car for the first time today with a mask on. Got out to supervise my passenger getting in, got back in, started the car and found I couldn't see - glasses steamed up! Luckily they cleared quickly in the car, but I had a moment's panic. I must try the soap.
I have yet to find a mask that fits comfortably; If I have to wear one for any length of time, I use one of the blue disposable ones, as they seem to work best, though it goes against my principles.
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Spread of Covid-19 in Kansas counties with a mask mandate as compared to counties which refused to implement such a mandate. Spread of the virus sky-rocketed in the unmasked counties but was stabilized where masks were required.
https://ipsr.ku.edu/covid19/images/Mask_Mandate_forJoCo.pdf
The Democratic governor of the state ordered masks to be worn statewide but the Republican legislature quickly passed a law that said the counties didn't have to obey the governor. Thank you, Republicans - you have provided the evidence of your own stupidity.
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You couldn't be more wrong Erato. It is somebody who has spent a lot of time and put much effort into researching this issue. There are serious issues associated with wearing of masks and no obvious protective element in respect of viral protection. We are all awaiting publication of this year's randomised Danish study, the only such study, but initial indications suggest that it is unlikely to support the wearing of masks as a protective measure by the general public.
There is a lot of misinformation circulating about wearing masks some masks are designed to protect the wearer and some to protect other people from the wearer.
A surgical mask mask that protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer.
For example the N95 masks have valves that make them easier to breathe through. With this type of mask, unfiltered air is released when the wearer exhales. This type of mask protects the wearer from 95% of very small particles and does not protect others because of the valve.
It is thought that N95 masks without the valve protect both the wearer and others to the same degree, but because N95 masks are in short supply most/many countries ask that these are reserved for hospital staff in covid wards.
A cloth mask is intended to trap droplets that are released when the wearer talks, coughs or sneezes.
These masks do not protect the wearer but go a long way to protect others if worn properly covering the nose and mouth from droplets the wearer exhales.
There is on more important point and that is handling the mask before and after wearing. Always wash hands before and after touching the mask. If the mask has protected the wearer then its outside facing surface will be contaminated with the virus, mishandling the mask could transfer the virus to the inside surface of the mask to be sucked in to the wearer if they wear it again.
Treat all masks even re-usable masks as single use masks and if worn and removed wash before reusing.
Cheers
Guy
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The main reason for wearing a face-covering when in an enclosed public space is to protect other people, not to protect oneself.
When people:- speak, sing, shout, exhale, cough, sneeze, we project tiny droplets of moisture which can be breathed in by others in the vicinity. If infected the person nearby breathing them in can be infected, so masks primarily protect others.
If we hadn't got Covid-19 floating about, mask wearing would have been an interesting experiment to see if it reduced the spread of Winter influenza.
Even general Surgical Type IIR pleated filter masks are not sealed enough to the face to give the wearer full protection.
Dentist
I asked (pre-Covid) my Dentist of many years about his surgical mask and he said he wore a Surgical Mask primarily to protect the patient (me).
Doctors Surgery
Here we are still not allowed (since March 2020) to even go to the Doctors Surgery until we have:-
1. a timed appointment to actually visit and
2. answered questions and
3. Been met outside in the open air and asked to proceed inside by a member of Surgery Staff.
So the lady in the Doctors coughing with her mask on her chin is showing a total lack of care to others and wouldn't get anywhere near our Doctors Reception or even through the Front Door!
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MRI Scanning
You must not go in a Magnetic Resonance Imaging scanner wearing any magnetic metals, the metal pinch band in my Surgical masks looked to be a copper coated steel wire.
So I went with a homemade mask, but was asked three times by Hospital and MRI Brain scan staff, if my mask contained any metal.
Fortunately, no Covid Brain Fog :) was found (I've already survived an illness / damage :) :) found 20 years ago by MRI).
Mark
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Spread of Covid-19 in Kansas counties with a mask mandate as compared to counties which refused to implement such a mandate. Spread of the virus sky-rocketed in the unmasked counties but was stabilized where masks were required.
https://ipsr.ku.edu/covid19/images/Mask_Mandate_forJoCo.pdf
The Democratic governor of the state ordered masks to be worn statewide but the Republican legislature quickly passed a law that said the counties didn't have to obey the governor. Thank you, Republicans - you have provided the evidence of your own stupidity.
That's an interesting document, but I'm not sure that it tells the whole story since it seems to look at the wearing of masks in isolation from other factors.
It can be seen from the graphs on pages 4-6 that the non-mask counties had a large spike of cases in May, whereas the mask counties had relatively stable numbers then and started to increase more sharply some two months later. It may well be that the enforcement of masks from July onwards helped to stabilise numbers in the mask counties, but how and why, without such a requirement, did they manage to avoid a spike in May? Is there a fundamental difference in the behaviour of the populations of mask and non-mask counties, that was having an effect in the pre-mask months? (You might also ask why the May spike declined so rapidly without masks being required.)
However, the issue might not be simply about whether or not masks are worn: a few weeks ago I came across a study which suggested that when some people wore masks they neglected social distancing - see my post about this at
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=837425.msg7030215#msg7030215
So maybe it's not exactly about masks vs non-masks, but that some people are careful and considerate and will practise social distancing and wear masks because they know it's sensible, whereas others will do the bare minimum (or less). How this relates to Kansas I'm not really qualified to say.
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If your glasses steam up whilst wearing a mask then you're not wearing it properly, according to my wife.
If it covers my nose & it covers my mouth/chin - how else can it be worn? There are many others with the same problem so I'm sure we would all like to know
I'm sure you and others would but I can tell you no more than I have, that my wife doesn't have a problem with mask and glasses. Not helpful I know but that's how it is.
:)
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However, the issue might not be simply about whether or not masks are worn: a few weeks ago I came across a study which suggested that when some people wore masks they neglected social distancing - see my post about this at
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=837425.msg7030215#msg7030215
So maybe it's not exactly about masks vs non-masks, but that some people are careful and considerate and will practise social distancing and wear masks because they know it's sensible, whereas others will do the bare minimum (or less). How this relates to Kansas I'm not really qualified to say.
From what I can gather standard Masks only have a very limited effect for short duration.
My GP has said to me you must Socially Distance to reduce further risk to health and was also fairly confident back in March 2020 Covid-19 can be caught twice or more times, (reinfection is possible and now proven in published Lancet Reports earlier this month).
Also my GP said don't shake hands (impossible due to Social Distancing since the UK March Lockdown onward), also touching anything that has recently been touched by others must be followed by thorough handwashing to prevent cross transfer risk, etc.
Now I know and fully understand why 2 boxes of Steroid Cream were prescribed back in March, which must only be used very sparingly!!
Mark
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Tennessee:
Areas without mask policies seeing higher COVID-19 hospitalizations
https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vanderbilt-study-areas-without-mask-policies-seeing-higher-covid-19-hospitalizations/51-0378dfc4-8224-41de-8797-848e350f53e8
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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/falling-covid-19-viral-loads-may-explain-lower-rates-icu-use-deaths
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Hello
According to Published reports (some awaiting Review) and reported in the UK newspapers:-
The current SARS virus that causes Covid-19 has a handful of Variants / Strains.
Variants of a virus/disease might be one of the reasons for different outcomes.
Some Covid-19 virus variants have an (S) protein change to the Spike (D614G) and might be one of the reasons why we are now seeing higher Infection Rates in Britain and Europe currently.
See Pie Chart here:-
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200925/D614G-mutation-now-the-dominant-variant-in-the-global-COVID-19-pandemic.aspx
SARS coronavirus 2 / SARS-CoV-2 (D614G Preprint)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310631/
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Mark
Hands, Face, Space.
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Tennessee:
Areas without mask policies seeing higher COVID-19 hospitalizations
https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vanderbilt-study-areas-without-mask-policies-seeing-higher-covid-19-hospitalizations/51-0378dfc4-8224-41de-8797-848e350f53e8
I'm getting Access Denied for that link - is there an alternative?
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Does this one work for you?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/vanderbilt-study-areas-without-mask-policies-seeing-higher-covid-19-hospitalizations/ar-BB1aupwv
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Yes, thank you.
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I listened to an interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci on "The World Tonight", BBC Radio 4 last night. Press and other media over the past 2 days have interviews with him.
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The face mask debate is an ongoing issue.
I live in Victoria Australia and at the beginning of August, 700 cases were recorded in one day and escalation was expected and feared by the State Premier and advisors.
Within days face masks were made compulsory outdoors and at indoor public places and just after that, shields were disallowed as an alternative. We were told this measure was based on the "best advice currently available"
At almost the same time a very tough lockdown was imposed and we are all familiar with what that looks like and how very hard it is. It had varying degrees of restriction depending on where in the state you live, but was firmly enforced.
The day before yesterday the lockdown ended with 0 and 1 and 2 new cases daily.
We are required still to wear masks outdoors and pretty much everybody does.
Now I am not qualified to say how much of the success story is attributable to the masks. Would we have the same result with lockdown and no masks?
Don't know. I just put it forward for your consideration.
Sue