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Hello from NZ.
Annie Curme SHEPHERD, nee KEET and,
James [Jas] Edward SHEPHERD [Aberdeen]
Died of a heart attack at Waiuku, New Zealand 21/11/1861
Married Kensington England, 7/2/1852
1853 Emigrated to New Plymouth, via Auckland, New Zealand.
To descendants interested in Annie’s 12,000 word, newspaper published, serial account, of their first 10 pioneering years living, and trading, with Maori communities; please feel free to make contact via the RootsChat messaging service, or by referral, through an existing RootsChat member.
In this instance, Annie's by line was “By a Waikato Lady” however my research, in conjunction with that of volunteers at the Waiuku Museum, now have sufficient supporting data, to believe Annie was the author.
The published account, is a fantastic heritage item, if today’s descendants are unaware of it’s existence.
When my research is complete, a WORD document of over 20, A4 double column pages of text, plus newspaper clippings, court documents etc will be available free of charge.
As I don’t subscribe to family tree sites, others who do, might like to bring this offer to the attention of tree publishers.
Alan.
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At a glance:
Death:
1861/4690 Shepherd James 31Y
The document from above in its entirety:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=8081746&digital=yes
Remarriage of his widow:
1865/5723 Annie Shepherd Peter Iwerson
Obituaries:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIGUS19091103.2.8?query=iwersen&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIGUS19091102.2.9?end_date=31-12-1909&query=iwersen&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1909
Death notice:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19091105.2.2.3?end_date=31-12-1909&query=iwersen&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1909
Will of Annie Curme Iwersen:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21448294&digital=yes
Well done Alan..... :)
Minniehaha.
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Thank you Minniehaha.
I have not got as far as the remarriage, though information from the Waiuku Museum, about a published tree on MY HERITAGE, hinted about the IWERSON connection.
This series, and another by an "Own Correspondent" which arose out of the Franklan attractions that were part of the Auckland Heritage Festival, became part of an exercise I started, as a reply to EMMERSON, re tricks to finding, and filling, the gaps in PapersPast search hits.
Claiming to be a TRUE STORY, it still proved to be a hard nut to crack, with only initials used. I was unable to pinpoint the ship they sailed out upon, and as few newspapers were being published in the 1850's provinces, it was hard to get a positive tie in. Even at Waiuku the original cemetery records were lost in a fire, so the on line ones only start from just after 1900. Finding the intestate Court documents, gave us some good, original data, to work with.
I've got so many pioneer stories on the go at the moment, it's hard to do them all justice, but only too happy to share my findings with descendants etc.
Full credit to those pioneering ladies who came out with their husbands. They may have been young, and naive, when they left the UK, but really rose to the challenge of surviving in out back New Zealand.
Alan.
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PS Finding the complete series, see thread posts #72 & #73.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804707.msg7051783#msg7051783
Alan.
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I was not able to find the death registration for Annie. When you get that far Alan, let us know if you have had success.
Keep up the good work.... :)
Minniehaha.
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Hi Alan,
You could try quoting this Folio No: 2287 when contacting BDM.
Like Minnie I also had no luck.
Cheers
KHP
Added: You can scratch that out now.
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Death 31/10/1909
Registration Number 1909/6300
Family Name Swersen
Given Name(s) Annie Curme
Date of Birth/Age at Death 76Y
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Thanks John.
The joys of reading / transcribing hand writing. There is an extended blended family out there who probably are in ignorance of this series, as published, and would love to have a copy.
Must dash, or I'll miss the garbage man.
Alan.
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Burial : Whatawhata Cemetery, Waikato
Headstone transcription >
Peter IWERSEN died 6 July 1907 aged 73 years ; also - Ellen ingeborg IWERSEN died 27 February 1880, aged 13 years ; also Annie Curme IWERSEN, wife of the above, died 31 October 1909, aged 76 years.
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~ Lu
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Further to reply #8, there is a photograph of the headstone......
https://www.waikatodistrict.govt.nz/services-facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries-database/allotment/17019
Minniehaha.
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Alan I believe James Shepherd and his wife Annie were passengers on the 'Simlah'
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18530706.2.3?end_date=31-07-1853&items_per_page=10&query=simlah&snippet=true&start_date=01-06-1853&type=ARTICLE
Departed the UK on 19.2.1853….
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18530611.2.6?end_date=31-07-1853&items_per_page=10&query=simlah&snippet=true&start_date=01-06-1853&type=ARTICLE
Minniehaha.
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Confirmation of the Simlah being the name of the ship on which James & Annie arrived:
'Memories of a Waikato Pioneer' [The late Charles Edwin Shepherd or Edwin Charles**]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350619.2.19?end_date=31-12-1935&items_per_page=10&query=edwin+charles+shepherd&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1935
[The above would appear to be the same man as in the obituary and death notice below. However some 'facts' in the Memories appear to be at odds with those in the obituary.]
Obituary of Edwin Charles Shepherd** [1935]….
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350618.2.134?end_date=31-12-1935&items_per_page=10&query=edwin+charles+shepherd&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1935
Death notice:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19350618.2.2.4?end_date=31-12-1935&items_per_page=10&query=edwin+charles+shepherd&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1935
**Name provided by Alan (Fresh Fields]
Minniehaha.
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Another son Alan? [From the list you sent]. Not proven as issue of James & Annie.
20.1.1938 [Golden wedding]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?phrase=2&items_per_page=10&snippet=true&query=william+edward+shepherd&start_date=01-01-1938&end_date=31-12-1938
Death of William Edward Shepherd [1938]….
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19380903.2.2.5?end_date=31-12-1938&items_per_page=10&query=william+edward+shepherd&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1938&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG
Minniehaha.
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A daughter from that list you sent? Not proven as issue of James & Annie.
Marriage:
1872/4182 Annie Margaret Shepherd David Maxwell
Death:
1935/13562 Maxwell Annie Margret 81Y
Obituary:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350212.2.116?end_date=31-12-1935&query=annie+maxwell&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1935
Her husband’s obituary:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/STEP19350606.2.23?end_date=31-12-1935&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=david++maxwell&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1935&type=ARTICLE
Minniehaha.
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Another daughter on your list: Not proven as issue of James & Annie.
Marriage:
1877/251 Kate Edward Shepherd Andrew Thomas McKnight
Death:
1909/4168 McKnight Kate Edwards 50Y
Surname MCKNIGHT
First Names Kate Edwards
Age 50 Years
Gender Female
Date of Death 04 Jul 1909
Religion
Serial No 4111
Funeral Director J Weir & Co. Ltd, 473 Great South Road, Papatoetoe, AUCKLAND
Cemetery Purewa Cemetery
Location Block E Row 58 Plot 133
Date of Service and/or Interment 6 Jul 1909
What Buried? Body
Minniehaha.
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Gee !
While I’ve been otherwise engaged, this thread has gained wings. Thank you to all who have contributed. So another late night checking out your discoveries.
The ss Simlah was one I had had a look at, as it’s destination was advertised as New Plymouth, but was hesitant as the Waikato Times advert had added (1853) following the word Christmas. So to my mind it was a toss up if the sailing was in the new year of 1853 or 1854.
Minniehaha your find especially the letter re Cpt TURNBULL gives initials against the SHEPHERD’S & child, which other press passenger lists do not. A clincher.
One child came out with them, and confirmed in passenger list re sailing from Taranaki 17/10/1853 to Auckland.
Especially also the part about going for shelter in Kawhia. So in just two days we have gone from no proof, as to whom the author was, to good evidence now.
I would tend to place more weight upon what Annie wrote, [but acknowledging it was written as a tale for the Grand Kids, 37 years after the event,] than obituary material supplied by person’s unknown.
The Charles Edwin SHEPHERD obit rests well with his Mother’s account, but is his age a little out for a Middlesex birth in late 1852? Perhaps I should also return to MOTAT who hold the best NEW ZEALAND FARMER archive, to see what he published.
However there is some leeway appearing, from the facts that we have been able to establish. I have not been able to find a death listing for son James born at Waiuku 24/10/1860 and according to Grandmama, died shortly after his father’s death 21/11/1861.
I did go looking for a Miss KEET, [the reported unmarried sister] in the Taranaki press, and then NZ wide, without success. Wondering if that was a mis-spelt name by the person who published it.
Attached another edited quote with reference to the married sister at new Plymouth that they set out to link up with.
My sister (the unmarried one) was waiting for me on the beach, and my brother-in-law (Mr B.) just arrived as we landed. He had only heard the night before of the arrival of our vessel, and lived three miles away, hence the delay. The walk of three miles on a dreadful bush road nearly finished me, it being all mud and deep ruts. I gave up once or twice, but after a rest started again………… When we arrived at the farm where they lived, my brother-in-law cooed, and my sister and her little boy came out to meet us. How she surprised me, when she left England she was a slight graceful woman, she was now fat and ruddy……………. My brother-in-law was in partnership with Mr 0. B. They have both attained high positions in New Zealand, so I do not mention their names.
Will add a couple of attachments.
Thanks, must run.
Alan.
30/10/20 Edit replaced passenger table. Ship left out. Half asleep.
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I did go looking for a Miss KEET, [the reported unmarried sister] in the Taranaki press, and then NZ wide, without success. Wondering if that was a mis-spelt name by the person who published it.
Hi Alan
I think the "unmarried sister" is very likely ...
Theresa* KEET who wed Ephraim COAD in 1854.
I couldn't immediately see that marriage recorded on NZBDM list ... but the resource I used, did have a notation to the effect that the event took place at "N / Plymouth - c. 1854" :
Three children born to this couple - 1855 to 1859 :
Ephraim COAD was a brewer at New Plymouth - he died in 1860.
Seems he was also a publican - following his death, notices appear in newspapers showing Teresa* COAD had an interest in at least one hotel.
Will add some further info shortly.
~ Lu
Edited to add ... * denotes alternative spelling of forename.
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Hi Alan
Confirmation that Annie and Teresa were sisters. ;)
Baptism - Parish Church of St Nicholas, Liverpool, ENG
Ann Curme KEET
Parents: Edwin KEET (draper) and Pricilla Elizabeth KEET of Church Street
Baptism on 24 May 1835
... at same church
Theresa KEET
d/o Edwin KEET (Linen draper) and Priscilla Elizabeth of Church Street
Baptised - 5 July 1831
~ Lu
Edited to correct spelling
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1841 - ENG Census - Richmond Surrey
Kew - Horse? Road (?looks like)
KEET
- Edwin - 48
- Priscilla - 40
- Elizabeth - 19
- Edna - 14
- Teresa - 10 .... none born in county
Ann (Annie) ... missing ?
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1851 - Kensington Town - Middlesex - ENG
KEET
- Edwin (Head)
- P.E. - (wife)
- Anne C. KEET - dau - born Liverpool
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Hi Alan
When time permits, I'll read "Annie's story". ;)
Just digressing for a moment from Annie ... had been interested to read her comment about the "Maoris" ... but it appears her brother-in-law Mr COAD (husband of Teresa), fell victim to "the natives" in 1860. :'(
New Plymouth - St Mary's Anglican Cemetery :
Block 2 - Side of Church
"Sacred to the memory of Ephraim COAD who was killed by rebel natives, 17 August 1860, aged 43 years : ALSO Priscilla, his daughter, died at Auckland 18 May 1865, aged 10 years : "
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The Native War - (end of column tells of Mr COAD's demise)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18600922.2.16
... similar account - this one, more easily read ...
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18600905.2.12
Of course the newspapers of the day, yield other accounts too.
~ Lu
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Theresa COAD remarried in 1865 to Daniel Campbell MacDOUGALL.
One child of the marriage >
1867
MacDOUGALL - Ormond Campbell Keate
Parents: Teresa Rathbone MacDOUGALL and Daniel Campbell MacDOUGALL
Death of Teresa Rathbone MacDOUGALL >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19080801.2.4
~ Lu
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Morning all.
From a weary eyed researcher. Was well after 1am before I got to bed and what should be a busy day ahead again today, so research time limited.
Lu I have supplied my work in progress WORD file to Minniehaha, as we have exchanged research in the past re an unclaimed body. But only too happy to forward same to any NZ board members who PM me an email address. I've got too many open projects on the go, but this one covers the same teritory as the MYERS research, so I have run with it as well.
No time now, but will read with interest your research into the Taranaki branch and their experience during the Taranaki conflict.
Hopefully there is famly out there that will appreciate our colating some of their heritage and giving it new life.
Thanks.
Alan.
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Attached another edited quote with reference to the married sister at new Plymouth that they set out to link up with.
My sister (the unmarried one) was waiting for me on the beach, and my brother-in-law (Mr B.) just arrived as we landed.
… When we arrived at the farm where they lived, my brother-in-law cooed, and my sister and her little boy came out to meet us. How she surprised me, when she left England she was a slight graceful woman, she was now fat and ruddy……………. My brother-in-law was in partnership with Mr 0. B. They have both attained high positions in New Zealand, so I do not mention their names.
Hi again Alan
Not sure if you've been able yet to find details of Annie's "mysterious" brother-in-law ^ "(Mr B)" ??? So will add further info in case it is of interest.
I believe "Mr B" was Charles Thomas BATKIN* who married in 1849 to Annie's sister, Edna KEET*.
[* Various spellings to be aware of ;D B A L K I N ... K E S T and K E D, Edna Pmalla (in place of KEET). @ancestry - correction since made to index listing ]
Marriage at Christ Church , City of London -- 6 January 1849
Edna Pricilla KEET
- fulll age - daughter of Edwin KEET - gentleman
Charles Thomas BATKIN - of full age - farmer
- son of Charles BATKIN - vestry clerk of St Leonards :
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Interesting to note that Charles T. BATKIN is listed as a "farmer" on marriage cert ? Once in New Zealand, he goes on to have a career with the government (attained high position in New Zealand - to quote Annie).
On the Juror's List 1858-59 published for the Province of New Plymouth shows Charles as >
BATKIN - Charles Thomas - Carrington Road, Clerk.
Have some More to follow > next post.
~ Lu
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Not a happy note to start with ...
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19030814.2.21.1
... "Mr BATKIN Shoots Himself"
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https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19030814.2.18
... ^ Mr C. T. BATKIN
- looks to have arrived in NZ in 1849
- some details of his career.
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Further to reply #12......
Photograph of Mr. William Edward Shepherd:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19380120.2.5.1.1?end_date=31-12-1938&phrase=2&query=w.+e.+shepherd&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1938
His obituary:[1938]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19380903.2.144?end_date=31-12-1938&phrase=2&query=w.+e.+shepherd&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1938
Minniehaha.
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https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18900428.2.57
.... Mr C. T. BATKIN's Retirement (gives some detail of his time in NZ).
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BATKIN
(Ship) "Cornwall" under charter of the New Zealand Land Company, departed Deal (Kent, UK) 20 April 1849 - arrived New Plymouth, NZ on 18 August 1849 - amongst passengers were Mr and Mrs C.T. BATKIN.
- Edited to adjust date
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Probated will of Charles Thomas Batkin:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9VH-8W51?i=241&cc=1865481&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQK9V-291G
Death of his wife:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM18881106.2.18?end_date=31-12-1889&items_per_page=10&query=edna+batkin&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839
Her obituary:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZMAIL18881109.2.122?end_date=31-12-1889&items_per_page=10&query=edna+batkin&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839
Minniehaha.
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Headstone photograph for Charles Thomas Batkin & Edna Priscilla nee Keet......
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/206665684/charles-thomas-batkin
Minniehaha.
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Probated will of Teresa/Theresa MacDougall formerly Coad nee Keet....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV5-2SYS-B?i=217&wc=4B25-NX4%3A1045247701%2C1592572301&cc=1865481
Minniehaha.
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Hi ladies.
You are flying high. Thanks. Will look into tonight. While at Morrinsville today I approached a colleague of a retired man named DARWICK whom I did business with for many years after leaving school.
Await with interest to see if Mr DARWICK sees fit to get back to me.
Alan.
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See reply #13:
Obituary for Annie Margaret Maxwell nee Shepherd states she was a niece of the late Sir Charles Shepherd KG, Aberdeen.
Silver wedding notice [1923] for her daughter Margaret also makes mention of Sir Charles.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT19230420.2.10?end_date=31-12-1935&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=sir+charles+shepherd&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839
I wonder if any details can be located for this man?
Minniehaha.
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A little about Sir Charles Shepherd in 1921 and his New Zealand relatives........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/FS19211119.2.14?phrase=2&query=sir+charles+shepherd&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19211121.2.44?phrase=2&query=sir+charles+shepherd&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT19211212.2.21?phrase=2&query=sir+charles+shepherd&snippet=true
Minniehaha.
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Lu.
Re your reply #23, Mr “B” = Mr BATKIN, Annie’s brother in law.
Below a continuation of the quote in that thread. At that time Mr BATKIN, was felling bush, like his neighbours, in an endeavour to establish pastures of English grasses. Note Messes B., will probably be POTTS, or RONALDS, from the published passenger lists. B, P & R can be similar from a hand writing perspective. Must say I'm a little surprised that Annie's account of the passengers she spent 100 [?] days with, don't necessarily marry up that well. Another reason I struggled to identify the Simlah, as the vessel they travelled on.
“One day we were astonished to hear that Mr B. had taken three young men as cadets, and to my surprise they were our fellow passengers, the Messrs B. We had not liked them much on board, but not wishing to discourage my sister, I said nothing, but felt glad that my husband thought of staying in Auckland and fetching me soon. "It was heavy work bush-falling; my sister and I, with the children, used to go out and see Mr B. and the brothers B. logging up, I think they called it, and they made such enormous fires, it was a pretty sight at night. Though such heavy work they seemed to like it.……….. There was one paddock that had been cut down at first and was now sown in grass. No need of a plough, the seed was roughly cast, and came up most abundantly. My brother-in-law said he would rather have one hundred acres of bush land, after it had been cleared, than have five hundred acres of fern land. They worked like labouring men from early morning until dark, and in the evening we used to light fires round the house to keep the mosquitos off. They were terrible, but having curtains round the beds, we were safe from their bites, and I rather liked to hear them singing outside.”
Thank you once again. Can only spend a little time on it tonight, and hope to visit the Waiuku Museum on Sunday afternoon when they open to the public; my farm willing.
Alan.
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Hi Alan ... your post # 35 ... working to give you a reply to this later today.
~ Lu
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Further to reply #16.....
Here is the marriage on NZ BDM:
1854/1112 Theresa Keet Ephraim Coad.
Actual date of marriage was 21.1.1854.
Minniehaha
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The Charles Edwin SHEPHERD obit rests well with his Mother’s account, but is his age a little out for a Middlesex birth in late 1852? Perhaps I should also return to MOTAT who hold the best NEW ZEALAND FARMER archive, to see what he published.
Alan ... an update for you :
Baptism - Parish of Kensington, Co. of Surrey, ENG
Edwin Charles SHEPARD
- Baptised on 23 January 1853
- Born on 12 November 1852
Parents : James and Annie Curme SHEPARD
... of Hanover (looks like) Place
Not able to decipher occupation of father James ??
~ Lu
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Marriage
Anne Curme KEET
James Edward SHEPHERD
Registered : Kensington ENG -- 1st Quarter 1852
[Source: FREE BMD UK and other sites : Can only find marriage registration details and not a copy of the marriage record. Grrr !! ;D ]
~ Lu
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Thanks Lu & Minniehaha.
Must up the farm.
Annie SHEPHERD, was still at WAIUKU in January 1863.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18630103.2.19.2 [6th paragraph]
Just love these accounts. Europeans did not have a Manoply on pioneering.
By July 1864 she had shifted her business to Onehunga. DSC 13-7-1864 page 1 [classified advert] and DSC 4-5-1865, page 1. So in keeping with her family tale.
PS - You never know what you are going to find late at night. Was searching Onehunga & Shepherd when I came upon a Railways compensation report. Acquiring land for the Main Trunk Railway, which went through the middle of my Gt Grand Father's farming operations of that time. His name was in clear print, so unsure why my previous hunts had not found it. Recently spent hours searching deeds & title indexes, looking for references to the acquisition, and or land offered in compensation. At that time he was a lease holder of Crown owned land, and no two documents used the same description for the identity which was the trustee for the land. Was unsure if any documentation would have been in the name of the Crown Identity or that of the Lease holder. But I digress.
Have a great weekend.
Alan.
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Adding to Lu’s #8 posting.
Marriage registration date for Annie Curme SHEPPERD and Captain Peter IWERSON was 5/12/1865.
1860’s Shipping Intelligence reports see him first entering the Manukau Harbour on the 32 Ton ss Darling 29/8/1864, and then from several other voyages. Then from 19/11/1964 on the 52 ton Schooner Excelsior, for quite a number of calls, mainly from West Coast shipping ports, until 15/8/1866. There was one report of a Captain IWERSON, Mastering the Mary Ann Christina, from Lyttleton to Auckland 7/4/1865.
In the Greymouth River Argus on the 20/9/1866 is reported the enquiry into the loss of the Excelsior, on the river bar. It was claimed that under the prevailing conditions, the tug boat engaged, had insufficient power for the task at hand.
In September 1867 Mrs IWERSON gave notice that she was retiring from her Onehunga business.
By the 1880’s she and Peter were establishing themselves at Whatawhata. Annie started operating a store and agency. In March 1894 they are credited with building a Hall for the Whatawhata community.
After the death of Peter, she sold her Whatawhata business to Mr SIMCOCK in October 1907.
Alan.
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I don't think this link has been put up. Probated will of Peter Iwersen:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97G-9ZN6?i=54&cc=1865481&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQK9V-VHPT
Minniehaha.
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Photographs of Anne Curme Keet.....
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/?name=annie+curme_keet&event=_england-united+kingdom_3251&birth=1833
Minniehaha.
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Alan
Have to inform you that a good number of people have already documented the lives of Annie C. SHEPHERD and her sisters Edna BATKIN and Teresa (COAD later MacDOUGALL). ;)
Also much of the information gathered, has been published.
The "Auckland Waikato Historical Journal - of September 1988 - No. 72" makes mention of the series of articles written for the "Waikato Times". [These will of course be the 1890 ones you've added here.]
It is said that the articles were re-discovered circa 1970 by one E.S. BEER, who published an abridged version in the "Journal of The New Zealand Federation of Historical Societies" in 1972 and included it in the book "Plough of the Pakeha".
[Note: This info sourced from "Three Pioneer Sisters" by Margaret SHEPHERD and Rowland GREEN.]
I should maybe have asked earlier ... are you related to this KEET family ??
Just curious. :)
~ Lu
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Thanks for that information Lu.
However as I had already gathered these details I will put them up anyway....
1872/18653 Iwerson Gertrude Keet Annie Curms Peter
Death of Gertrude Keet [1873]…..
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18730116.2.7?items_per_page=10&page=4&phrase=2&query=keet&snippet=true&type=ARTICLE
1867/12222 Iwersen Ellen Ingeborg Annie Curme Peter -
1871/18410 Iwersen Edna Alexandra Annie Peter -
1874/24162 Iwersen Elizabeth Annie Curme Peter -
1869/16330 Iwerson Priscille Cathrina Annie Cerin Peter
Marriages:
1898/1192 Elizabeth Iwersen Samuel Allardyce Calder
1900/2269 Priscilla Katrina Iwersen Thomas Napier
Deaths:
1946/27614 Napier Priscilla Cathrina 77Y
1948/29751 Calder Elizabeth 75Y
Marriage of Elizabeth Iwerson [1898]……
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIGUS18980702.2.10?end_date=31-12-1898&items_per_page=10&query=elizabeth+iwerson&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1898
Marriage of Priscilla Iwersen [1900]…..
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIGUS19001020.2.29?end_date=31-12-1900&items_per_page=10&query=+iwersen&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1900
Minniehaha.
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Lu.
Re your reply #23, Mr “B” = Mr BATKIN, Annie’s brother in law.
Below a continuation of the quote in that thread. At that time Mr BATKIN, was felling bush, like his neighbours, in an endeavour to establish pastures of English grasses. Note Messes B., will probably be POTTS, or RONALDS, from the published passenger lists. B, P & R can be similar from a hand writing perspective. Must say I'm a little surprised that Annie's account of the passengers she spent 100 [?] days with, don't necessarily marry up that well. Another reason I struggled to identify the Simlah, as the vessel they travelled on.
I have my doubts that the Messrs POTTS or Messrs RONALDS, were candidates for being the three cadets - the "Messrs B" mentioned several times by the author (Annie). The RONALDS brothers were rather "well to do" - Francis (Frank) becoming a Bank manager and the other two (or at least James) returned to England after purchasing their parcels of land. Of the POTTS I can find little, but you might like to explore that angle further.
My guess > and they weren't exactly on the same ship - would probably be the BELL brothers who arrived in New Plymouth on the ship "Cresswell" around the end of August 1853.
This was just a matter of weeks after Annie herself along with baby, had arrived in Taranaki. (And she talks about going with her sister to watch the boats coming into the roadstead ... etc).
The "Simlah" had first gone to Auckland - arrived 10th June 1853. By the time it discharged its cargo and set sail for New Plymouth it was already early August. Annie's husband then joined her and they travelled back to Auckland.
It appears that Annie really only spent about seven or eight weeks in Taranaki ???
Back later - I've got a rugby game to watch.
~ Lu
Edit - correction to spelling.
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Passengers per "Simlah" - 1853 :
Incidentally there are at least three passenger "lists"(or mentions of the passengers) in the newspapers - and a number of stray names which don't stack up against each list. ??? ;D
I'll insert the dates and newspapers here shortly, just for reference.
Added :
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18530712.2.3
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18530706.2.3
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18530611.2.3
~ Lu
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I also came across Annie and babe arriving in Taranaki ( - from memory, only the SHEPHERD's return to Auckland in October 1853 had been found so far. ) ???
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TH18530810.2.3
"Taranaki Herald" .... Arrived 6 August 1853 - Simlah ...
Passengers: Mrs SHEPHERD and child, Mr SALISBURY :
~ Lu
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Alan
... just can't find it at present, but think you asked earlier about "Mr C. B. " (who had meet Annie on arrival at New Plymouth - a stand-in for her brother-in-law who had been waylaid).
"Mr C.B. " I'd earlier discovered was one Charles BROWN who had worked in a variety of areas with Charles T. BATKIN.
Charles BROWN eventually became the Superintendent of the Province of Taranaki ... and he appointed Charles T. BATKIN to the role of "Clerk to the Superintendent and Executive Council of Taranakl" in 1857.
~ Lu
Note: Was able through another source to confirm Charles BROWN had also arrived in the Colony with the BATKINs.
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Thanks.
A link to something very interesting just found. Why did I not find it three days ago ?
https://kura.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/digital/collection/akldpeople/id/306956
Saved you ladies some hard work. Nice to be filling out Annie's story though, with supporting evidence.
Alan.
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Hi Alan
.... can't believe I didn't find that info earlier in my searching, either. ;D ;D
Never mind ... it sure was an interesting "story" ... and kept our brains ticking over.
Perhaps we should all be considering leaving similar tales for our kids / grandkids ??
[Nah, they need to do the "hard graft" ... the thrill of the chase is far more rewarding !!! ] :D :)
~ Lu
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Thanks Lu and Minniehaha.
I was not at the computer checking the thread yesterday during the day, so missed your finding of THE THREE SISTERS. I just jumped on line when I discovered about the journal account.
Interesting that the title of the story and per chance the boat Annie and James returned to Auckland on was named THREE SISTERS. Simlah arrived in roadstead off New Plymouth on August 10th 1853, and the SHEPERD'S set sail for their Auckland return on October 17th 1853.
I'm not related [as far as I know] to the people being discussed here. Or at least in that time period of historic records. My interest is in the pioneers, more so than the genealogy of the living. Until October 27th, I had no idea who the author of the series was. BUT it's been an interesting voyage of discovery since then. It's a talented crew contributing to this board.
Michael Hammerson [user name] and I [Fresh Fields] were/are interested in the account because it describes the land and those living on it, in the years leading up to the Charles MYERS [x2] joining the military campaigns.
Interesting about THE PLOUGH AND THE PAKEHA, I'll have to find my copy. Believe I have one somewhere, gifted from the publisher. I started researching my family pioneer's in the 1970's so have read [and forgotten] a lot of the historic works, written by the Cambridge historians. Erris PARKER included, who's research is the foundation of the Cambridge Museum.
While we are rediscovering research done previously, the advance of material and it's scope by Papers Past, will have made more press clippings available. I've catalogued quite a number now. Should anyone care to contact me.
Quite a number of years ago, per chance, I came upon a large series by THE WARRIGAL, giving a detailed account of the Waikato and Bay of Plenty, in the late 1880's which I consider significant, but it is still hidden away in the WEEKEND PRESS in Christchurch because it is not digitised, in it's original form, and therefore is not quoted by historians covering the area of it's descriptive account.
What I learned from from trying to dig out copies of all the published chapters of the series, I used to locate GRANDMAMA'S tale.
Alan.
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Hello again - Lu
Re reply #47; I will attach my spread sheet list generated from the main press clippings that I have collected. It's pretty consistant except for the 'POTT'S'.
Driving to Waiuku, it hit me that while I was concentrating on the comparison between Annie's account of her fellow SIMLAH passengers, and that of the signed testimonial, it was published at the end [Auckland] of the first leg of the voygage, and that the destination was New Plymouth, where the Taranaki Herald only named Mrs SHEPHERD & child, and Mr SALISBURY, but there were probably others sharing the two cabins.
Other press clippings noted that the Rev., David BRUCE arrived, and did not waste time taking up his duties.
Re the Cresswell, that ship went first to New Plymouth, and a signed testimonial was published by the Taranaki Herald, on August 31st, as you state.
Regards,
Alan.
PS. I see yesterday I said the SIMLAH arrived at New Plymouth on August 10th but now note the date stated in the Shipping Inteligence report, was August 6th. So a few more days before the publishing date.
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Hi Alan
Just refresh my memory please, where does the "Grandmama's passenger list" (printed in blue), come from ??
Is it something you've compiled from other "data" ?
~ Lu
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Thanks for your continued interest Lu.
The items on the table are my editorial notations. The source for them, in the main, being from within the recovered text of the GRANDMAMA tale, as published by the Waikato Times. My assumption that David BRUCE is/was the Rev David Bruce is because of press coverage of his appointment - arrival - and preaching immediately following the arrival of the SIMLAH at Auckland. NOTE Two months was the stated age of her child a Christmas, and though her story has them immediatley thereafter, boarding the vessel, the papers record it leaving GRAVESEND on February 19th. She stated the voyage lasted 100 days and had arrived in March, but our papers record the arrival at the begining of June, so probably nearer 110 days from clearing the UK to Auckland.
http://www.maungatautarimarae.co.nz/hitori/1800-2 The Maungatautari Marae history notes on their web page, give some more insight the the SHEPHERD'S presence in their community, and supports Annie's account of that period.
Interesting for me, is the fact that the email that awaited my return on Sunday, while relating to my Hukanui research, referred to the genealogy links of key people in that research, to those mentioned in the Maungatautari Marae history notes. [NgatiWairere]
Still trying to find photo's / lithograph's of laden canoes as described by Annie. Closest I came to are some from Wanganui River transportation. Can not recall one of a canoe loaded up how Annie described, but thousands of tons of freight found it's way to Pura Pura and through the Waiuku portage route, and return of Colonial goods.
Now have some UK press clippings, pre sailing of the Simlah, but nothing on the newly [?] married Captain James TURNBULL. Most the reports in the UK and even NZ after the arrival were naming a former Captain Robinson, as in command. Attached the 1852 shipping out rates.
Alan.
4/1/20 Edit. Correction; changed Museum to read Marae.
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Hello again.
Making slow progress. Found a few mistaken asumptions and typos in what I have already published. Link to request re Baronets back in the home country. Now have a reasonably clean transcription available, with a number of clippings and illustrations.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841243.msg7074902#msg7074902
Alan.
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Hi Alan
I've just visited your thread (re: "Baronets" ) on the England board.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841243.new#new
This follows on from my Reply # 3, there.
"I'm guessing that Annie was referring to Mr O'SULLIVAN when she wrote ... 'Mr and Mrs O S, Mr R. who was the son of a baronet' ... "
The O'SULLIVANs who arrived 1854 by the "Simlah", were shown on at least one passenger list as "R.J. and A.M. O'SULLIVAN".
R. J. O'SULLIVAN appears to have been Richard James O'SULLIVAN a respected School Inspector of Auckland, who resigned / retired, from that post in 1888 and died the following year.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18880121.2.18
-- resignation of Mr O'SULLIVAN
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18881013.2.42
-- address to Mr O'SULLIVAN
continues next >>
* Edited to add further link
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Richard James O'SULLIVAN (passenger per "Simlah" - 1854) - continued
Richard O'SULLIVAN died 5 November 1889 at Auckland. Following is his obituary >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18891105.2.53
The Obit mentions, (and I think is repeated in some other articles ? ), that Mr O'SULLIVAN came to the Colony about 1861, from Ireland.
Was able to find however a birth registration (NZ BDM) for his eldest child, William Francis (1854) under the surname "SULLIVAN" ... confirming, or at least suggesting, Richard and his wife Anastasia, were the couple on the "Simlah".
O'SULLIVAN Burials at Symonds Street Cemetery, Auckland :
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll
~ Lu
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Alan ... not sure you need all this extraneous information ... but because it came with all the other stuff I dug up, will add it anyway. ;D (Might be of use to someone at a future date ??)
R J O'SULLIVAN - continued
Probate record of Richard James O'SULLIVAN :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C95W-7SCH-F?i=307&cc=1865481&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ2XL-Q4JC
... Will dated 11 January 1882 - names all his remaining children at that time.
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Richard James O'SULLIVAN - continued >
Alan ... this is perhaps the IMPORTANT bit in "discovering who was or wasn't, a baronet's son". ;D
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18900106.2.35
^ This is a death notice published 1890 in Auckland newspapers, for James O'SULLIVAN (the brother of Richard James O'SULLIVAN, Schools Inspector). James died in Kilkenny, Ireland. It gives the name and occupation of their father ... alas, not a baron. ;)
~ Lu
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O'SULLIVAN
I think the Obit of Richard James O'SULLIVAN mentioned the Very Rev. Father O'SULLIVAN (of the Benedictine Order, Auckland) was a "half" brother.
Following is Obit for Adalbert O'SULLIVAN otherwise Rev Father O'SULLIVAN, formerly of Auckland, NZ, died 1930 aged 97 years.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19300304.2.158
[Added in case you're in need of more "ammo" ... in chasing elusive baronets. ;D ]
~ Lu
Added : Adalbert M. O'SULLIVAN mentioned here >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18900115.2.11
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Thanks Lu.
Will have a more detailed look in the evening. Just had to dash to Hamilton for parts for a tractor. And now having a cuppa.
I'm filling out all Annie's references that I am able to. As it is of the era when the Colonial settlement of the Waikato was taking place. And dovetails in with other research that I have done.
Can not get over Annie describing herself as a 19 year old [possibly 18 from the baptism record you found] and babe in arms having to become self sufficient both in back country survival and the need for fluency in Maori.
Alan.
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Morning Lu.
The joys of researching late into the night and being terrible at proof reading my own copy; know what I want to see, not what is actually in print. But I'm not alone, why we keep cross referencing.
Given up pointing out, to historic web sites, that their published info contradicts itsself. So thanks for being another set of eyes re my spelling etc. I'm taking Annie's account as being more accurate than the following published family anniversaries and obits. There is a good supply of contemporary press clippings to validate her timelines. Yet to place implied Grand Child 'Ida' and as I don't have a big A subscription have not gained family contacts yet. Would love a slightly larger resolution portrait of Annie to illustrate this research, that will be supplied to three Museums who have expressed interest. Also seeing sketches / photos of the laden cargo canoes.
Will attach latest [rather large] spread sheet to replace reply #53. Yet to find cutaway or layout plans for any of the "packet ships" being advertised as sister ships in the NZ trade. But am assuming Annie is referring to an 8 birth [boxed in sleeping compartment] cabin. Unlike full steerage where the only privacy was drop down bunk curtins, in large dorms of 'MALE' 'FAMILY' FEMALE'. It is evident that some of the assisted/steerage passengers were quite close to the 'cabin' passengers, and there was a doctor on board to, which may account for extra names appearing.
Must get to work. Thanks for continued interest.
Alan.
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Ida Ingboorg & Harriet May SHEPHERD born 23/4/1880 [4388]. Parents, Edwin Charles & Sarah SHEPHERD.
Not sure why I did not find it the first time I tried. Possibly a late night typo on my part.
Alan.
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Morning Spades.
When next at the archive could you enquire about the noted restricted access.
Certificate of Competency as Master of a River Steamer - Edwin Charles Shepherd (R25818379)
Alan.
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Hi Alan,
No worries, I've just sent an email requesting permission to view.
Spades
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Could be quite a mission - all the certificates. Lets hope volume 38 is indexed.
"This sub-item is contained in a volume. To view, please order Volume 38 (R25818264)"
Might be like the Hospital register that I'm going back to. Abandon request if too time consuming.
Thanks, Alan.
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Hi Alan,
I have permission to view the file but unfortunately it will now have to wait until after Archives New Zealand re-opens on 7 January.
Please remind me if I haven't contacted you by the end of January.
Link placed here for reference.
Certificate of Competency as Master of a River Steamer - Edwin Charles Shepherd (R25818379)
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=25818379
Spades
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Thanks Spades.
Finally got a week away so trying to personally catch up with my Auckland associates and relatives. PUHA MUNCHERS Auckland flles full of info.
Alan :)
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Morning all.
If someone has the time, and easy access to NZ electoral data, you may be able to help firm up my time line data, re this Annie SHEPHERD / IWERSON research.
Thanks.
Alan.
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OOP's proof reading issues again. Please read Edwin Charles SHEPHERD.
PS At Whatawhata the Newcastle riding records him as Edwin Charles, but other records have him as Charles Edwin SHEPHERD. My impression is he was known as Edwin.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
I've ordered the Certificate of Competency file but won't be able to get back in until late next week.
Regards,
Spades
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Thanks Spades.
Was up at the Archives, Auckland branch, on the 8th & 13th. Perchance discovered pages of STAMP DUTY stamps at the back of the Primary Deeds Index's. [R22764429 etc] The on line Metadata images stop with the land record entries, and to not continue to the affixing, and sign off, of the required duty stamps. All very interesting.
Alan.
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OOP's proof reading issues again. Please read Edwin Charles SHEPHERD.
PS At Whatawhata the Newcastle riding records him as Edwin Charles, but other records have him as Charles Edwin SHEPHERD. My impression is he was known as Edwin.
Alan
Electroral roll data confirmed. Thanks. Alan.
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Images of Certificate of Competency file sent.
Spades
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Thanks spades for gaining access to a restricted file. I'm impressed with the December 1917 River Masters Steamers certificate.
At aged 65 must have been his semi-retirement income out of Devonport Auckland, or a large private launch.
Prior to retiring he farmed at Koromatua, Whatawhata, Waikato.
Alan.
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Hello again.
Now have sighted Annie's original 1868 Crown Grant of 50 acres, which fronted the Waipa river at Whatawhata. It was the mid 1870's before press clippings indicate Annie had relocated to Whatawhata from Thames, where she lost a couple of babies to convulsions. Her two sons started their farming businesses at Whatawhata.
Grant issued to, and archived as, Annie IWERSON [sic.]
Still seeking living descendants, actively researching their family lines.
Alan.
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Hello dear Moderator.
Wellington Archives holds files re Local Land Reserves & Land Disposal. R16 127 242 & R22 417 597
Both involve Section 20 WHATAWHATA Suburbs, on which the IWERSEN'S built a public hall, and was in Iwersen ownership at the time of Peter's 1904 will. [Minniehaha #42] Other sections owned were 11, 12, 21, 22 & 6. Would be interested in the file contents, if at the Archive with time to burn. Will send you a message.
No rush, and only if other requests have been actioned.
Regards, Alan.
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Hi Alan,
Yes, I can get those for you.
Spades
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Thanks spades.
Have you ever seen a notice like below?
Alan
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And she was only 12 years old........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT18800228.2.4?end_date=31-12-1880&query=iwersen&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1880
Minniehaha.
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Hi Alan, No, but very interesting!
I wonder if they were eating ‘Kānga pirau’, look at the article on Wikipedia.
The child might have died from listeriosis.
Very sad, completely avoidable.
Spades
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Found only two Papers Past clippings. So was thinking of animal digestion problems with grain.
All Annie's children grew up with Maoir neighbours and would have been familiar with the soaked germinating maize. ALAN
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Having to live on maize during an 1890 voyage. An Aucklander's experience…….
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SCANT18900121.2.20?end_date=31-12-1903&items_per_page=10&query=half+cooked+maize&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1887
Ghastly!
Minniehaha.
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Hello again.
Tonight sent out a PM asking for advice, if evidence is readily available re the Ingeborg IWERSEN named in Annie's will.
Alan.
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Hi Alan
I'll answer here.
The address is:
Løjt Kirkeby Aabenraa.
I'll take a look in Denmark to see if anything pops up.
Ian
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Much appreciated Ian
Also apologies for the two errors in my late night PM to you. The spelling of your name, and referring to Annie's twin GRANDCHILDREN as nieces.
Ida Ingeborg, [various spellings inc., Ingborg & Ingaberg] & Harriet May SHEPHERD, born 23/4/1880, daughters of Edwin & Sarah SHEPHERD.
Alan.
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Hi Alan,
No problem.
I am pretty sure this is the Iversen family in 1860 in Kirkeby, Løjt, Aabenraa:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=10444#10444,259844 - family nr 181 - left page.
Catherine is their mother. She is a widow.
Ellen and Peter are her children. Peter is recorded to the right as being in the merchant navy in the East Indies at the time.
Ian
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Here is the same family in 1845 in Kirkeby, Løjt, Aabenraa. This time in Schleswig-Holstein:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=255391#255391,47726949 - 5th family down on left page.
Ellen, Peter and Ingeborg are present. Their mother Cathrina Lillholdt as a widow. They are living with an Ingeborg Andersen.
Ian
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This is Peter Iversen's birth record. Father Iver Iversen and Cathrina Lilholdt in Kirkeby:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912937#451003,80760600 - nr 68
Ian
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And the record to seal the deal:
Catherine Iversen nee Lillholdt's death record. Quite hard to make out what is written but it looks as though it states that Peter is married to an Anne? with 2 girls in what looks like New Zealand. Ellen and Ingeborg are unmarried.
I hope I have read it correctly. I will look for a second opinion.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912937#425610,78406087 - nr 13
Ian
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That is fantastic Ian. Thank you for taking the trouble to look it up.
Just back from the city where I got needed supplies, and two scripts for my eyes.
On our Sunday late afternoon, I got home after another week away at Auckland, to the news that Auckland region was lifting two Covid 19 alert levels to number 3, out of four, severely restricting movement for all but deemed "essential services" and the rest of NZ, up from level one to level two; which required 2 metre distanting, and limits on group sizes, due to community cases being detected in Auckland. However for all but Auckland that restriction eased again at Midnight, so for now the Waikato, where I live, is back to our new normal, and most of Auckland to level 2.
Will study what you have found tonight.
Regards,
Alan.
PS added in the evening. Indeed interesting seeing old archived records from another country, even if in a language, you are not familiar with. So no cousins on the other side of the world there, to be sharing GRANDMAMA'S story with.
Alan.
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The recorded town Apenrade you had is the German for Aabenraa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aabenraa
Ian
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Thank you Ian for that explanation.
Post #78 Thank you Moderator "spades" for the Allotment 20 file look up, photos successfully recieved. Now more research required into a public land reserve, fresh water spring, within the "old Post Office" site.
Alan.
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That is fantastic Ian. Thank you for taking the trouble to look it up.
PS added in the evening. Indeed interesting seeing old archived records from another country, even if in a language, you are not familiar with. So no cousins on the other side of the world there, to be sharing GRANDMAMA'S story with.
You're welcome Alan.
And unfortunately no cousins in Denmark.
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Just got confirmation of the death record for Cathrina from a very kind Dane:
1891
Died 4. April Buried 9. April
The widow CATHRINE IVERSEN, leg. daughter of smallholder Rasmus Lillholdt and Ellen born Rasmussen in Kirkeby, born same place on March 18, 1802, married Jan. 4, 1833* to Iver Iversen, who died at sea, she leaves behind following heirs of the body: Peter, married to Annik? born NN New Zealand with 2 daugthers;
Ingeburg - unmarried, Ellen - unmarried.
She died after a long sickbed from decrepitude. Age 89 years.
Ian
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Now we have the New Zealand connection sorted I can safely post some records:
Iver Iversen's birth - 28 May 1800:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912937#451000,80760138
Cathrina Lilholdt's birth - 18 Mar 1802:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912937#451000,80760147
Iver and Cathrina's marriage - 4 Jan 1833:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912937#451001,80760368 - nr 5
Ian
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Ellen Iversen's birth - 29 Jun 1835:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912937#451003,80760606
Ellen Iversen's death - 21 May 1918:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217062#202043,38302712
Ingeborg Iversen's birth - 4 Jul 1837:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912937#451003,80760614
Ingeborg Iversen's death - 7 Feb 1918:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217062#202043,38302711
Ian
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1835 Census:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=187366#187366,31777389 - bottom right
Ian
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WOW, while I'm sleeping you are researching away finding even more fantastic records. Please convey our thanks to your friend for their assistance also.
Alan.
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Cheers Alan
If there's anything else required just ask.
Ian
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Hi I am a direct descendant of James and Annie Shepherd my Mum Norma Anne Woodgate nee Shepherd was their gt granddaughter
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Hello Ross.
Greetings.
I have been very busy, and last night attended an AGM of a Society that I am very active with. This morning, with a little more time on my hands, I checked in with ROOTSCHAT and discovered your post earlier this month. So sorry about my SLOW reply. I usually get notifications about activity on posts I have been active on, but must have missed it, or possibly as the thread is now on the secondary board of COMPLETED or in limbo threads, I did not get one.
Ross as a new member Rootschat requires you to make three posts before the PRIVATE MESSAGING service is opened for your use. If you make a couple more posts, [just a santa - icon - or Hello etc] and then we can communicate privately, and share quite a lot of research into press clippings etc collected.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Alan.
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Hello again Ross.
Just dug up my research files on this subject. Refresh my memory as three years have past. It proved to be quite a big one, occupying our fist experience of COVID, and lock downs.
I have, what I suppose amounts to a manuscript of 50 A4 double column [WORD] pages of the press clippings, and research material found, with the assistance of this forum. About 20,000KB in size. Plus a 170 item spreadsheet, documenting the material found, and with source references.
Only too happy to share with descendants. Especially so if not familiar with all the material now accessable through various archives. Quite a pioneering legacy, [in print] to be proud of.
Alan.
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Morning Ross.
Please accept my condolences with the passing of your Mother, in January this year. The summer season will never be the same. My Mother too passed away in January, [close to her birthday], but that was quite a few years ago now.
RootsChat have a policy of NOT naming the living, so this morning I took the liberty of making enquiries, as your post did not say "late Mother"
I look forward to you making contact.
Alan.
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Hello for 2024.
Following the holiday break, private contact has been made, and interest expressed in receiving copies of research findings. Giving a new dimension to the research, stretching it out from local history bulletins, to one of family interest.
Alan.