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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Kerrill on Monday 02 November 20 19:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
have been trying to trace a ancestor and thought it would be pretty straight forward until...........
Margaret Morrison was born 1859 Preston Lancashire to a James Morrison and Mary Barrigan (Berigan) her mother died when she was 12 I have her on the 1861, 1871 census but it's the 1881 census that I cannot get my head around, (if it is her) she is living with her aunty Catherine in Singleton Row, Preston , but I have already found her aunty Catherine she Married a Lawrence Brennan and was living in Brow Square Preston Lancashire in 1881 with her children. Has she got two Aunty Catherine's ?
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Without seeing the record(s) that you refer to, it's unrealistic to expect any meaningful interpretations.
Pauline
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Have you considered that she might have been married by 1881, and therefore with a different surname?
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The aunt Catherine, living in Singleton Row is called Catherine Morrison and is a widow. That implies to me that Catherine was the wife of a brother of Margaret's father.
Hence not a blood relative. The other Aunt Catherine you refer to, is presumably a sibling of one of Margaret's parents.
(Or am I terribly confused!!)
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No you are spot on Pennines, but cant find who the brother of Margaret's Father was yet, would be a lot easier if I could put up all the records for you to look through but don't think that's allowed Pauline.
Have bought several wedding certs that I thought could be her but no joy Neale.
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The two children living with the married Catherine Morrison have mmn Morrison.
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In those censuses:
Catherine Brennan is 38yrs born abt 1843, Ireland
Catherine Morrison, 33 yrs born abt 1848, Ireland
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So Heywood's find alters things a bit - Catherine Morrison may not have actually married, if the mother's maiden name was Morrison on the childrens' birth registrations. It is an outside chance that a Morrison married a Morrison (but I would be surprised).
Neale -- I think you need to follow Catherine Morrison back through the censuses (where you can, as she was born Ireland). Just to see what has happened to her and whether she was 'born' Morrison! If she was - then she is likely the sister.
(Just look at it this way -- it would be boring if it went smoothly!)
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would be a lot easier if I could put up all the records for you to look through but don't think that's allowed Pauline.
Of course it's allowed. What you don't do is cut&paste from the index.
You can provide the direct URL, on either ancestry, familysearch or FindMyPast.
Pauline
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Catherine Morrison (aunty who married Lawrence Brennan) Thomas should read Francis-----
Name: Catherine Morrisson Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 20-Apr-1842
Address: Not Recorded Parish/District: EDGEWORTHSTOWN
Gender: Female County Co. Longford
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Thomas Morrisson Mother: Ann Burrows
Occupation: Not Recorded
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Thomas Green Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Mary Kenny
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Wedding cert
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Just to help or maybe not :-\
1871 4211 /135/18
16 Patten Street Preston
Margaret Morrison 65 yrs b Ireland
Ann Morrison 27 yrs b Ireland
Catharine Morrison 23 yrs b Ireland
Margaret Mayor grandaughter 7 yrs b Preston
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Mmmmmm wonder if this could be the sister of Francis if she was born around 1805 ? would love to find them in someone's tree and ask them for a DNA check.
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Looks like the family in 1861 3137/121/32
John Morrison 60 yrs
Margaret Morrison 55 yrs
Plus children - all born County Mayo
That doesn’t fit well with your Longford birth.
Perhaps another Catherine and Margaret
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is this a possibility for Margaret
Marriage: 7 Nov 1878 Mother of God and St James, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Josephum Everett - Trentham St., Pendleton
Margaritam Morison - Ashton St., Pendleton
Groom's Father: Michaelis Everett
Bride's Father: Jacobi Morison, Preston
Witness: Matthaeo Mooney; Jane Everett
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That's a good find Lancsann in an unexpected location. Jacobi is, of course the Latin version of James as well as Jacob.
In 1871 James Morrison, wife Mary and children, including Margaret aged 11 are in Birketts Square, Preston -- both James and wife Mary are shown as aged 35, born Ireland. Maiden name of mother, Barrigan or variant. There is a son Francis as well.
(Ironically they are on the census transcriptions twice!)
However we may have veered off the mystery of Catherine! (I don't mind confessing I am a bit confused now as to what we are looking for).
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;D Still wiping my eye's from laughing after seeing the last line of Pennines comment, I have got to thank you both for your input to my questions I will send for the marriage cert and will get back in touch about the findings, did not understand (Ironically they are on the census twice) ?
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It is such a puzzle.
The family have been transcribed twice in 1871 for some reason but it is the one family in the same place.
If that marriage is Margaret, then does that mean neither of the ones you found are your Margaret?
I did try to find the Everetts in 1881 and later but couldn’t see them.
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And to add insult to injury I cannot order it on line, they are asking for a addressed envelope with stamp and money paid in sterling :-\
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There is a child, Mary Ann Everett b 1879 with mmn Morrison in Salford.
1891 3220/49 shows
Joseph Everitt
Mary Everitt 32 yrs b Crewe
Living in Salford
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Oh dear!
Of course we are looking for Margaret!
Found Joseph Everett in 1881 3948/53/8
Joseph Everett is a widower. No Mary Anne with him but she is with him in 1891.
In both censuses he is with Mooneys - the witness to the marriage and a godparent to Mary A is also Mooney.
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Death for Margaret Everitt 21 yrs Preston in 1880.
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Kerrill - the marriage cleverly found by lancsann is on Lancsopc.
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 7 Nov 1878 Mother of God and St James, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Josephum Everett - Trentham St., Pendleton
Margaritam Morison - Ashton St., Pendleton
Groom's Father: Michaelis Everett
Bride's Father: Jacobi Morison, Preston
Witness: Matthaeo Mooney; Jane Everett
Married by: Michael Bracken
Register: Marriages 1870 - 1886, Page 85
Source: Salford Diocesan Archives
So the only things apparantly missing are the occupations of the groom and the fathers. Hence, unless you want these - you don't really need the marriage cert. The entries on Lancs OPC are from the transcriptions of the church records.
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Yes it was the occupation of James I was hoping to find, and a match could have put me a bit closer to see if she was the one.
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Here’s the baptism for Mary Ann Everett
11th January 1879 Mother of God and St James, Pendleton
Maria Ann Everitt - filia Joseph Everitt & Margaritae (formerly Morrison)
Born: 3 Jan 1879
Abode: 15 Borough St.
Godparents: Mattheus Mooney; Johanna Everitt
As I said, Joseph is a widower living with Matthew Mooney in 1881 but no Mary Ann. She is with her father and Mooney relatives in 1891.
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Joseph's 2nd marriage?
Marriage: 28 Mar 1891 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Josephum Everett - Salford
Mariam Daley - Salford
Groom's Parents: Michaelis Everett & Catharinae Everett
Bride's Parents: Gulielmi Daley & Mariae Daley
Witness: Joanne Evans; Susanna Mooney
1891 - Pendleton
Name Age
Mary A Jones 45
Joseph Everitt 32 - brother- occ factory operative
Mary Everitt 32
Susan Mooney 34
Michael Mooney 15
Mary A Everitt 12
Ann J Mooney 11
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Still waiting on marriage certificates but have got birth certs for James and Mary Morrison (Catherine's children) James born October 1877 at Gordon street, Mary born 1879 workhouse Fulwood (Preston) both with no father >:(
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Finally it came through the post today. My Margaret's dad died in 1921 so looks doubtful.
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Finally it came through the post today. My Margaret's dad died in 1921 so looks doubtful.
Don't be too hasty in dismissing this. My great aunt married for 2nd time in 1947, father was described as 'deceased', I searched for ages for an earlier death without result, then spotted one in the following year, reluctantly sent for cert (I'm part Scot :D) and it was his, registered by the aforementioned daughter.
I have also seen a story about a groom who checked his cert one last time before putting it in his pocket and realised his new f-i-l was described as 'deceased' despite having walked the bride down the aisle earlier in the ceremony and being well known to the officials :o .
So errors do occur on marriage certs.
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Deleted - found the information
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Thanks for that Macwil, I wont write it of just yet. I have the death cert for her dad also two marriage certs for him, so he is definitely still alive when this Margaret wed.
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So strange that they don't come up in any census, I cant find them anywhere.
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Death for Margaret Everitt 21 yrs Preston in 1880.
Do you mean the Everitts don’t come up in a census? There are a couple of posts earlier which would explain that including this one.
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Thanks Heywood, it must be my age :-[
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Thanks macwil, you are spot on, it turns out Margaret Everett is my ancestor, I have just got her death cert and she died at her brother's house and he was the informant. Thanks also to Lancsann for such a great find, also thank you for the rest of you and for all your inputs . ;D
Merry Christmas to you all.
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That’s a lovely Christmas present :)