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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: hilarykellis on Tuesday 03 November 20 01:06 GMT (UK)
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I am so confused. Through DNA, I've identified Charles/Carl Hebner/Hubner as a candidate for my mother's mystery great-great grandfather (her great-great grandmother had her great-grandfather, Anthony, out of wedlock in Nov 1862 in Kenton, Northumberland and the father's name is not listed on the certificate).
But he is making my head spin. Per my DNA matches' family trees, he was born in Prussia in 1832 and married Elizabeth Atkinson in Sunderland, Durham in 1856. Elizabeth is home alone as "Ship carpenter's wife" in the 1861 census and Charles/Carl is nowhere to be found. They are together in subsequent censuses and appear to have a few children, and she dies in 1885.
I did a search in the FindMyPast newspapers for him and was really confused to see two separate obituaries for wives of Charles Hebner of Sunderland: one in 1885 (Elizabeth) and one in 1876 (Lydia).
I then did a search and found 2 marriages: Carl Hubner and Lydia Belcham in 1862 in Sunderland district, and Charles Hubner and Elizabeth Atkinson in Sunderland in 1856.
Naturally, I would assume these were 2 different couples, but when I looked for census records, I found in 1871 two different families in Sunderland:
Charles Hebner Head - Male 30 1841 - Scotland
Lydia Hebner Wife - Female 30 1841 - -
Frederick F Hebner Son - Male 7 1864 - Durham, England
Lydia Hebner Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Durham, England
Frances B Hebner Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Durham, England
And then:
Charles Hebner Head - Male 39 1832 - Germany
Elizabeth Hebner Wife - Female 33 1838 - Durham, England
Regina Hebner Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Durham, England
Frederick W Hebner Son - Male 5 1866 - Durham, England
But after 1871 I can only find 1 Charles Hebner anywhere in England. So are these two different people? His oldest son with Lydia, Frederick Fountain Belcham Hebner, doesn't re-appear until 1911 in Kent. His daughter Lydia appears in 1881 as a housemaid to another family in Sunderland. I cannot find Frances, his youngest, anywhere in 1881.
To make matters more confusing, Ancestry trees assign both these Charleses to the same parents in Pomerania, Germany so it seems I am not the only one confused. Any help sorting these people out is greatly appreciated and then I can get back to work on whether Charles could also have been the spurious father of Anthony!
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Possibly some relationship below from wording from Ancestry - it let me freely google the wording below.
Potential photos and documents for Fountain Frederick Belcham Hebner
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I can see 2 in 1891
1891 Census
Durham
Charles Hebnor 55 Boilersmith born Holland
Elizth J Hebnor 60 Wife born Holland
1891 Census
Durham
Miles Patten 30
Regina Patten 28
Charles Patten 8
Frederick Patten 5
Florence Patten 1
Charles Hebner 60 Father in Law Widr Seafaring born Preußen (image Prussia British Subject in brackets)
Elizabeth Hebner 12 Sister born Sunderland**
1881 Census
Elizabeth Hebner 43 Wife Mar
Regina Hebner 18
Frederick W. Hebner 15
Elizabeth Hebner 3
Sarah Ann Hebner 1***
HEBNER, SARAH ANN mmn ATKINSON
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 548
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1891 Census
Benwell, Northumberland
Fred Hebner 27 Head Mar Fitter Gun Shield maker born Sunderland
Tome Hebner 25 (Jane)
Lydie Hebner 7
Martha Hebner 4
Chas Hebner 3
Fred Hebner 1
1881 Census
Charles Hebner 43 Boilersmith born Heligoland
Elizabeth Hebner 51
Frederic Hebner 17 Engineers App (B M)
Martha Hebner 10
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This is the death notice for Charles Hebner , the ship's carpenter, in 1914
Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette 15 June 1914.
At the Workhouse, on the 14th. inst., Charles Hebner. To be interred on Wednesday.
The Cemetery Registers on DRO also have this burial - birth year 1829.
He is easily found in the 1911 census. Try Familysearch if you cannot see him searching on Ancestry.
This is him in 1901.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSC8-XDB
William
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There is another death and spelling variant
Deaths Mar 1899
Habner Charles 56 Sunderland 10a 351
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DRO has the cemetery register for this Charles Hebner ( they have transcribed surname as Hebner). Abode given as 19 Back Ford Street. Birth year about 1843.
William
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Frances Bell Hebner (mmn Belcham) died age 1871 Dec q Sunderland from freebmd. Abode 31 Woodbine Street from Durham records online index
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Hi trish1120
Re; Charles Hebner
He was my great great grandfather too
Regina his daughter married Miles Patten, and they had my Gran Norah in 1906, she was the youngest of i think 6 children. Regina died when Gran was 3 and Miles dies when she was approx 12. would be lovely to chat about your side of the family...Judith
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Welcome to Rootschat judith g.
I am not related to this family but was just trying to help hilarykellis who originally posted the query.
They have not replied to anything found by people here on Rootschat but as you are related to the Hebner family hopefully will to you :)