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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: trystan on Thursday 05 November 20 00:10 GMT (UK)
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I received an email from Asda detailing safeguards and measures that they are (or have) put in place for the next difficult period against thr spread of Covid. The safeguards that they are putting in place must be applauded, of course. There is one item that concerns me.
They announce an "antibacterial coating" on some baskets and trolleys as used in the Nightingale Excel Hospital.
Wonderful, except that the Covid-19 is a virus, and not a bacteria.
Totally separate beasts. One is a living organism (bacteria), the other isn't (virus).
In many ways, what's good for a bacteria is bad for a virus.
Any thoughts?
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It sounds laudable ..... could give out mixed messages though...
Have they fact checked this statement?
Don’t you need to sanitise the handles after each use though?....
After all we use antibacterial wipes and sprays to sanitise everything... but a coating...
Where in the Nightingale hospitals would they actually use a ‘antibacterial coating’ I wonder?
Interesting to hear others thoughts trystsn....
Carolin
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I've been saying for decades that hospitals should coat all metal surfaces, such as beds,
handrails, toilet handles etc. with copper. Asda should do the same with trolleys and all
metal surfaces. Copper is deadly to Virus ,Bacteria and superbugs such as MRSA.
Even the ancient Greeks and Egyptians knew this. Copper kills bugs in seconds
while they can survive on plastic and stainless steel for days.
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I received an email from Asda detailing safeguards and measures that they are (or have) put in place for the next difficult period against thr spread of Covid. The safeguards that they are putting in place must be applauded, of course. There is one item that concerns me.
They announce an "antibacterial coating" on some baskets and trolleys as used in the Nightingale Excel Hospital.
Wonderful, except that the Covid-19 is a virus, and not a bacteria.
Totally separate beasts. One is a living organism (bacteria), the other isn't (virus).
In many ways, what's good for a bacteria is bad for a virus.
Any thoughts?
At least they are experimenting as we cannot keep using sprays and handwipes as bacteria (which are causing additional problems in affected patient) are developing resistance to antibacterial products.
Copper is good but requires polishing to prevent corrosion, there are surface treatments that work such as tiny spikes on surface that cut the bacteria but are too small to effect skin but whether such a surface could be used on things like shopping trolleys is debateable.
Soap and water is safer and more effective for getting rid of viruses.
Cheers
Guy
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Seem's to be a commonly held misapprehension, Trystans original post pointing it out; Covid-19 is a virus, and not a bacteria.
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... Soap and water is safer and more effective for getting rid of viruses.
Cheers
Guy
Erm ... may I add one thing to your list, Guy? I'd say soap, water and firm rubbing because friction will abrade the virus' envelope. A quick flick with a wipe just doesn't do.
Cheers,
Westoe
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What about isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol)?
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What about isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol)?
Yes alcohol is good kills most things including humans, there may be a problem of some people licking the trolleys if it is used on them though. ;)
Cheers
Guy
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... Soap and water is safer and more effective for getting rid of viruses.
Cheers
Guy
Erm ... may I add one thing to your list, Guy? I'd say soap, water and firm rubbing because friction will abrade the virus' envelope. A quick flick with a wipe just doesn't do.
Cheers,
Westoe
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Yes but that is true for the sprays and gels they need to be rubbed onto the surface or skin.
Cheers
Guy
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The protein on the end of the SARS-CoV-2 Virus spike is greasy and easily sticks externally and internally to the body and other surfaces.
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Interesting what the US (United States) Centers for Disease Control (CDC) say:-
https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html
"Alcohol-based hand sanitizers can quickly reduce the number of microbes on hands in some situations, but sanitizers do not eliminate all types of germs." ...
It seems sanitisers don't protect you from some other nasties.
Personally I'm still washing hands thoroughly with pure soap (not scented) and warm-hot water.
Mark
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Alcohol and bleach are recommended by an American gov. Health site
A study in wuhan found that the highest concentration of virus on surfaces was on door handles, the second highest on bottles of hand sanitizer gel or spray.
So, I conclude that if you never touch a door handle or a bottle of sanitizer you are ok.
It’s easy to jump to the wrong conclusion. ;D ;D ;D
Mike
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It’s interesting to read some of the research carried out in Wuhan in March/April, if only because they have suceeded where everyone else has failed.
The virus in droplets can survive indoors at room temp. for up to six hours.
Hospital ventilation/air conditioning can spread it around.
Dispersal outside is rapid and dilutes the concentration.
Mike
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... Soap and water is safer and more effective for getting rid of viruses.
Cheers
Guy
Erm ... may I add one thing to your list, Guy? I'd say soap, water and firm rubbing because friction will abrade the virus' envelope. A quick flick with a wipe just doesn't do.
Cheers,
Westoe
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Lathering for at least 20 seconds. Sounds less painful than firm rubbing.
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Of course we could ask that nice Mr Trump for the definitive advice - after all, he's always right?
Seriously, I do think that the washing etc., is probably the best idea. I do wear surgical gloves on my weekly supermarket visit, as well as other precautions - but sadly, that's more waste to dispose of. All we can do is try to do our best, for ourselves and others, and keep patient and calm.