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Hi all,
does anyone know when the 1921 census will be released? I did hear that the government may not release it for some reason?
kind regards
Pete Rogers
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Find My Past are transcribing it at the moment and aim to publish in January 2022.
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Dear all,
If anyone has access to the 1921 census before it is released on 'Find My Past', I am searching for Henry George Evans b. 23-06-1918 Canningtown, London. Mothers name Annie Evans, father unkown. I have been hoping for many years that the 1921 census may help.
many thanks in advance ::)
Unfortunatly my Mum will never learn the name of her grandparents she never knew,,, my Mum passed early this year. I travelled to England from Holland but due to covid restrictions I wasnt allowed to see her before she died.
I hope at least to be able to inform my Mums sister in Australia of her grandparents names
maybe it will help release some of my pain too :'(
more information:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=232349.msg1241371#msg1241371
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Hi,
I have sent you a personal message.
Warmest regards.....Helen.
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dear all,
I am searching for Henry George Evans b. 23-06-1918, Canningtown, London on the 1921 census (his mothers name is Annie Evans).
Henry George Evans may be in a orphanage as he always claimed (not Bernados) but they may be living together?
In 1918 Annie is living at 167 New Barnes street, Canning town. At this time she is working as a munitions worker at 52 Ravenscroft road, Canningtown.
Kind regards and many thanks ::)
Pete
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In 1918 Annie is living at 167 New Barnes street, Canning town.
At this time she is working as a munitions worker at 52 Ravenscroft road, Canningtown.
Her son Henry's baptism in 1919 has same address (transcript only)
Henry George EVANS Birth 24 Jun 1918
Baptism 09 May 1919 St Andrew Plaistow
Mother Annie, Residence 167 New Barn St
Archive Essex Record Office, Archive ref D/P 527/1/10
Record set Essex Baptisms
Could his mother Annie have married?
Here's a 1920 transcript of a marriage for a person named Annie Evans
Annie EVANS, S, father Benjamin occupation Street Hawker
Residence 65 Corporation St
Spouse Arthur KELLY, B, father James
Residence 65 Corporation St
Marriage 27 Jun 1920 All Saints West Ham
Archive reference D/P 256/1/59
Record set Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935
A possible child born 1921
KELLY, ANNIE MARGARET mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1921 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 193
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Henry George Evans (my grandfather) claimed until the day he died that he was a foundling and grew up in a Barnados home never knowing his parents. On his death, I discovered the name of Annie Evans on his birth certificate. The only other clue of his heritage is that he list his fathers name as Herbert Evans on his marriage certificate (this does not appear on his birth certificate). Bernados have no record of a George Henry Evans.
This is all the information I have. I am very pleased that you found his baptism record (I wonder if witnesses would be listed?).
I have been hoping that the 1921 census will reveal his whereabouts and wether he is still with his Mother, Annie. Maybe Annie dies? or as you say, marries?
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1921 census free search
Henry Evans b 1918 West Ham, Essex living in Parish of Leyton, No one else showing on the same record.
results for orphanhood show both parents dead and relationship to head is inmate. I've tried several of the names from the Institutions list but got nowhere.
www.findmypast.com.au/articles/world-records/1921-census---institutions-and-prisons
1921 census free search
Arthur Kelly 1895
Annie Mary Kelly 1894 Bethnal Green
Annie Margaret Kelly 1921 Plaistow, Essex
living in the Parish of West Ham
Marriage has Father Benjamin, a hawker so maybe this Annie
1901 census
West Ham
Benjamin Evans 40 general dealer
Margaret 33
Joseph 10
Annie 8 born Mile End, Middlesex
Maggie 5
Roseta 1
Births for children mmn Collier includes
Annie Mary Evans
Dec 1893
Mile End Old Town
Benjamin is still alive in 1921 with two youngest girls from 1911
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dear all,
I'm still not really getting anywhere with my Granddad and Annie ??? Lots of possibles and tantalizing clues. So I have decided to go back to what I do know. The fact that my Granddad persisted with his stories of being an orphan I think that the 1921 census find by 'Comberton' is most probably true (unfortunately I am not a member of Findmypast). Also the baptism (09-05-1919) found by 'LadyHawk' is a certain match given the adres of 167 Barnes street.
These 2 facts suggest to me that Annie either dies, enters the poor house or goes to prison and this should happen between the dates of the baptism and the census (09-05-1919 - 1921) ::)
Well lets hope that Annie does not go to prison,,,, Initial searches turning up a lot of Annies passing and so far the age mostly above 60, so not likely. I'm not so sure my new approach will help, but all help would be very welcome ;D
best wishes
Pete
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Her son Henry's baptism in 1919 has same address (transcript only)
Henry George EVANS Birth 24 Jun 1918
Baptism 09 May 1919 St Andrew Plaistow
Mother Annie, Residence 167 New Barn St
Archive Essex Record Office, Archive ref D/P 527/1/10
Record set Essex Baptisms
The SCOTT family were at that address in 1911 and were still there in 1921.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWF7-764
Frederick George SCOTT married Alice Jane SCOTT in 1886, his father Henry SCOTT, watch maker, her father George SCOTT, rate collector. Two children that I can see, Miriam Beatrice (married 1908 to Charles Henry SIMONDS) and George Edward Louis (who is mistranscribed in 1921 as George Eden), married 1920 to Edith COOPER.
1921 census free search
Henry Evans b 1918 West Ham, Essex living in Parish of Leyton, No one else showing on the same record.
results for orphanhood show both parents dead and relationship to head is inmate. I've tried several of the names from the Institutions list but got nowhere.
www.findmypast.com.au/articles/world-records/1921-census---institutions-and-prisons
You really need to see this record to find which institution he was in. You can then follow that up to see what information about him was recorded.
Debra :)
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At this time she is working as a munitions worker at 52 Ravenscroft road, Canningtown.
That was a residential address in 1911 and 1921. Can you please transcribe each column of the birth certificate?
Debra :)
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Registration District: Plaistow, county of West Ham C.B.
when and where born : (476) 23rd june 1918 26 Howards road (U.D.)
name : Henry George
name of Father : - (stripe)
name of Mother : Annie Evans a munitions worker of 52 Ravenscroft road, Canning Town (U.D.)
residence: 167 new Barnes street, Canning town
when registerded: 7th august 1918
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He was in the workhouse aka Central Home. This link mentions any available records
https://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestHam/
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The address, 26 Howards Road, was the Plaistow maternity hospital. There are contact details here for archival records:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/894a57a6-e29d-47b9-88b8-9c8a85faf411
I think that her address when the child was born was 52 Ravenscroft, and then she was at 167 New Barn when the birth was registered 45 days later.
Debra :)
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The only other clue of his heritage is that he list his fathers name as Herbert Evans on his marriage certificate
Well there were two Herberts at 52 Ravenscroft, but one was dead in 1918 and one was very young but old enough to father a child.
1911 census, Herbert NORRIS, wife Alice and children. Father Herbert wasn't actually at home on census night, he was in a hospital.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWFQ-PMV
Alice is still at that address in 1921 with her daughters and the eldest, Gladys, with her husband.
This was a second marriage for Alice. Her maiden surname was TUCK and she married firstly to Arthur Martin ROGERS in 1886 and then married Herbert NORRIS in 1901. Her first husband died in 1899 and Herbert is boarding with her in 1901. Father Herbert died in 1912 and the son Herbert would have turned 17 toward the end of 1918.
Debra :)
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He was in the workhouse aka Central Home. This link mentions any available records
https://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestHam/
Dear rosie99,
May I ask how you discovered this? Did you find a record of Henry George Evans as a resident of the West Ham Union House (Central Home) in the 1921 census?
In an earlier reply by 'Comerton' with a link to 'Find my past freesearch' which was also beyond my search skills/experience, so I am kinda struggling to keep up with this :P
best wishes
Pete
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May I ask how you discovered this? Did you find a record of Henry George Evans as a resident of the West Ham Union House (Central Home) in the 1921 census?
Go to Findmypast and without signing in look at the front page where it says start a family tree; click on the link below which says what else can I do and choose search family records; it will show you a search screen and enter Henry Evans b 1918 (+/- 0 years) in West Ham, Essex, also enter 1921 census where it asks for record set. It will show that there are 4 records available. Click on the button that says 4 results and it will then ask you to sign up for a free search. Do this - it won't ask for a card or anything at this stage; say no to the free trial and it will then show you the 4 records - only one matches perfectly in Leyton, Essex. As you click on the results - go for original image it will give you the opportunity to buy just that record.
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@ nestagj, thanks very much for the instruction, worked perfectly ;D
@ rosie99, I will be contacting the workhouses.org in the link you mentioned and hope that it yealds results
@ Dundee, Wow! you certainly delved into this one! Your theory looks very plausible the pieces all seem to fit even down to the name 'Herbert' ! This is something I will be delving into too this Easter weekend (once I found all the chocolate eggs that is). My first aim now is to find out when and why Annie passed leaving young Henry to be raised at Central Home.
After many years of searching, I think that the picture is now gradually being put to canvas.
I want to thank everyone who has helped and sent me Pm's ::) very much appreciated
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@ nestagj, thanks very much for the instruction, worked perfectly
Glad to hear - my pleasure.
Nesta
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On searching for a possible death/burial for Annie Evans, I came across this one which seemed the most likely: Annie G Evans, jan-feb-mar, 1919, age 23, Mile End Old town.
I was pretty convinced and got as far as ordering the death certificate before I realised that this date would clash with the baptism at St. Andrews, Plaistow 09-05-1919 ! So its back to the drawing board ???
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Annie G Evans, jan-feb-mar, 1919, age 23, Mile End Old town.
Annie Gwendolen Evans
Buried 21 Feb 1919, City of London Cemetery
Residence 175 Stepney Green, London
Age 23 years
1st Class Private Grave
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1910-to-december-1919/register-069/1087491
1919 electoral register has Thomas Richard Evans and Catherine Evans at that address, also David "Louise" Evans
Still there in 1921, and I think on the census (David is David Llewellyn Evans)
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The four of them were at 175 Stepney Green, Mile End Old Town, in 1911
Annie Gwendolen Evans, Daughter, 15, born Stepney, London
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWP4-93C