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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: gnorman on Sunday 08 November 20 12:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, I'm trying to find more information on the brother of my great grandad. His name was Herbert Wood and I already have a the following information, I have a picture of him from my great aunt as well as the cesus below. I also know from my aunt that he married a widow called May in birmingham and had an adopted daughter called May and have found the following 1939 Survey (though I cannot make out May's previous surname),
1911 Census
Address: 60 Wickertree Lane, Failsworth, Oldham (6 Rooms)
Name: Alfred Herbert Wood Born: London, Middlesex Age: 38
Relation to House Owner: Head Occupation: General Labourer
Place of Work: Contracter Number of Years Married: 13
Number of Children Born: 5 Number of Children Living: 4
Name: Maria Wood Born: Manchester, Lancs Age: 34
Relation to House Owner: Wife Occupation: N/A
Place of Work: N/A Number of Years Married: 13
Number of Children Born: 5 Number of Children Living: 4
Name: William Wood Born: Failsworth, Lancs Age: 12
Relation to House Owner: Son Occupation: N/A
Name: Annie Wood Born: Failsworth, Lancs Age: 11
Relation to House Owner: Daughter Occupation: N/A
Name: Beatrice Wood Born: Failsworth, Lancs Age: 8
Relation to House Owner: Daughter Occupation: N/A
Name: Herbert Wood Born: Failsworth, Lancs Age: 4
Relation to House Owner: Son Occupation: N/A
1939 Survey. Stratford Road, Birmingham
May Hart? Later Wood, female, born 12th Sept 1895. Widowed & working as a Waitress at Masonic Temple. (known later in the family as Mikki and had a daughter called Anita
May Hart? Later Lees, female, born 08th May 1919. Single & working as a private secretary doing shorthand.
Herbert Wood, male, born 27th Oct 1906. Single & working as a Metal Baler.
Please could anyone help further with him, any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Luke
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Given his birth date on the 1939 Register this death may be worth looking into
Herbert Wood Age: 91
Birth Date 27 Oct 1906
Registration Dec 1997 Honiton
Register Number 37C
District and Subdistrict 4101
Entry Number 214
Kay
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Only one Alfred Herbert Wood who died at 60 Wickentree Lane;Failsworth
https://adt.oldham.gov.uk/bacasweb/GenDecDetails.aspx?ID=441247
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Wickentree Lane is still there but sadly where 60 was is now a car park
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Grave purchased by Maria Wood of 60 Wickentree Lane - July 7th 1931 - cost £6
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Blackburn Fossil, this isnt Herbert but it is his brother, my great great grandfather, Maria was his wife.
Kay, I think you are right, thank you. Ive spoken to my dads cousin who tells me he visited them as a child in Devon.
Thank you both, Luke
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May Lees, 08/05/1919, died in Teignbridge in 2002.
Tree on Ancestry has her as surname Ralph. What surname did her mother marry Herbert, and what was Anita's mmn?
Marriage of Herbert to May Ralph in Birmingham in 1940?
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Sorry - I had read that Anita was the daughter of May and Herbert, but on rereading I am not sure what you mean. Where and when was she born?
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In 1930 ER's there are George and May Hartshorne living at 895 Stratford Road.
In 1957 Herbert and May Wood are living with May Hartshorne at 1939 address (1362(a) Stratford Road).
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May Hart? Later Wood, female, born 12th Sept 1895. Widowed & working as a Waitress at Masonic Temple. (known later in the family as Mikki and had a daughter called Anita
May Hart? Later Lees, female, born 08th May 1919. Single & working as a private secretary doing shorthand.
There is a tree on Ancestry that has the daughter as Mikki, not the Mother. Which one is it?
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Thanks Chempat, you are right, I have written the information about May being known as Mikki and having a daughter called Anita next to the wrong May.
Thsnk you for your help.
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Supposition but....
Elsie Lea marries Wilfred Ralph in 1914
Wilfred killed in action 1917
Daughter Jeanne Mary Ralph b 1915 named on pension record
daughter May Hartshorne Ralph born June quarter 1919 <<<<<<<<<<
Elsie Ralph marries Ernest Hartshorne
Marriage: 3 Sep 1924 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Ernest Hartshorne - 62, Warehouse Manager, Widower, 20 Arthur Road, Erdington, Birmingham
Elsie Ralph - 34, School Teacher, Widow, 71 Church Street, Burnley
Groom's Father: Henry Haynes Hartshorne, Deceased, Commercial Traveller
Bride's Father: Richard Sulley Lea, Tea Merchant
so May possibly known in general as May Hartshorne marries in her legal name of May Ralph
the other May on the 1939 record is not necessarily the other May's mother but a relative
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Ernest of 20 Arthur Road dies in 1926, probate to Elsie, widow, more than £9000.
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Think Elsie and Jeanne are on 1939 together.
This looks like Elsie's death:
Deaths September quarter 1973 in Worcester of Elsie Hartshorne, born 25th April 1890.
Probate of more than £100,000.
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Pretty sure that that is Elsie in 1939 as Jeanne’s birthday matches that in the pension record. Interestingly daughter May is not with them.
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May born 1919, Elsie does not marry until 1924, though think Ernest's second wife does not die until end of 1919.
Can see the use for the 1921 census to see who is where.
Have not worked out who May is though, and they do seem to travel around a bit.
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There is a May Smith who marries a Clifford Hartshorne in 1919. Maybe some relative of Ernest (not a brother)
Maybe the Wood/Ralph marriage certificate would be useful to confirm or deny the guesswork
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I think I was looking for a connection to George and May Hartshorne who I found on the ER's living at 895 Stratford Road in 1930.
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There is a May Smith who marries a Clifford Hartshorne in 1919. Maybe some relative of Ernest (not a brother)
Just found them together in 1939.
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Just reread opening statement:
' I also know from my aunt that he married a widow called May in birmingham and had an adopted daughter called May'
highly unlikely that those in 1939 are not the 2 Mays.
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The thing is I can't find a Lees/Hartshorne or Ralph or Wood marriage at all nor any other Herbert Wood/ ...May marriage either
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They were all living in sin.
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And yet the 1939 register has been updated with a new married name and even a date against the younger May. Did they have to have proof of marriage to do that?
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No, they did not need proof. If someone chooses to change their name, and tells them, then that is enough.
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Thank you chempat