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Title: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Sunday 08 November 20 17:51 GMT (UK)
Hi!

I am very lucky to have in my possession many photos of relatives that served in the First World War. Unfortunately I have no idea who most of them are. I’m slowly but surely working through them all to try and identify them and I think I may be onto something with this. I have two questions.
Firstly I believe the men to be the same person would you all agree?
Secondly I was wondering if that is in fact a military uniform he is wearing? It’s the only one I have of someone in shorts! Any help at all trying to identify the man would really help. Many thanks in advance for you time.
Daniel
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 08 November 20 18:10 GMT (UK)
Military yes, tropical kit in the first photo not sure about the white arm band. Second photo same man as Lance Corporal.
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Sunday 08 November 20 18:47 GMT (UK)
That’s great thank you very much for your help! If it’s who I think it is then he was a driver in the Royal Engineers.
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: MaxD on Sunday 08 November 20 18:53 GMT (UK)
The arm band is actually the blue and white brassard (arm band) of the RE Signals Service.  A Driver in the RE could be in a RE signals unit, the rank does not describe his trade necessarily.

MaxD
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Sunday 08 November 20 19:00 GMT (UK)
That’s great thank you very much! It looks like it’s pointing more and more to who I think it is. I found his enlistment papers today and it just said RE driver. It’s all really helpful thank you very much!
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: MaxD on Sunday 08 November 20 19:15 GMT (UK)
If his papers show his unit(s) then that may yield a clue as in  Sigs Coy .

MaxD
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Sunday 08 November 20 19:26 GMT (UK)
I’ve just found his medal card and it just says royal engineers DVR so I assume that’s driver? It doesn’t mention anything else really. I’m only interested as I found this newspaper cutting amongst all the bits I was given and I’m certain the man in the clipping is the same man as in the photos above. In the article it states he was in the RE and served abroad.
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: MaxD on Sunday 08 November 20 19:44 GMT (UK)
Forgive the rude question but how do you know the medal card is his?  Do you have other papers with his number? 

MaxD
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Sunday 08 November 20 20:07 GMT (UK)
Not rude at all I surprised myself with this one!
On his enlistment papers it’s gives his regiment number and that matches the one on the medal card. The address on the enlistment papers match the ones in the 1901 and 1911 census when he was living with my great grandfather? His brother, and the mother listed as next as kin all fits too, so I’m certain it’s him.
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Sunday 08 November 20 20:10 GMT (UK)
On a side note I thought it was only one page and I’ve discovered more pages! I only had a quick glance but I saw the words cleopatra and India so that’s the link with the uniform!
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: MaxD on Monday 09 November 20 10:49 GMT (UK)
So presumably you now can see entries relating to his unit?

MaxD
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Monday 09 November 20 11:14 GMT (UK)
Yes I can see more information now but the handwriting is very hard to read and the quality of the image isn’t great either. I did pick out the word signals quite a lot though!
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 09 November 20 11:30 GMT (UK)
There are several public trees on Ancestry for this man with links to the service records. Here are a couple:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/10126428/person/25119676032/facts

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/23257654/person/320182588129/facts
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Monday 09 November 20 12:22 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for that. At the moment I am using the library edition of ancestry online at home and I can only seem to find one tree. I’ll certainly make a note of the above, thank you!
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Monday 09 November 20 18:12 GMT (UK)
I’ve had a long look at the service record and I’m a lot better off but I still can’t read or understand a lot of it, but this is what I did manage to decipher.

* Transferred from Haynes park signal depot to M.E.F (March 1916)
*Joined depot, cleopatra (March 1916)
*Transferred from (??) to Mesopotamia
*Disembarked Suez (April 1916)
*Disembarked Basrah (April 1916)
*Admitted to hospital (Aug 1917)
*Rejoined (coy?) (Aug 1917)
* Granted one months leave to India (Apr 1918)
* Embarked Basrah (Apr 1918)
* Struck off the strength of the company not having returned from leave within 3 months from date of embarkation (Aug 1918)
*It mentions a punishment but in the column it says certified. (Dec 1918).

I do have a few Questions about all that. Would it be common place for soldiers to take leave and visit other counties for instance India?
Also would it have been common place to not return in time from leave? I can’t imagine so, so I find it odd he was awol for over 2 months. (Although I don’t blame him wanting to get away from it all)
What does being struck off the strength of the company mean?
Many thanks in advance for any help!
Daniel
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: MaxD on Monday 09 November 20 19:26 GMT (UK)
Not sure whether you don't want us to know who he was but in deciphering a record, context is everything so a link to his on line record would be helpful.

Struck off Strength is when a man is taken "off the books" of a company.  The opposite of Taken on Strength

MaxD
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 09 November 20 19:30 GMT (UK)
Here are links to the army record:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1219/images/miuk1914e_124675-00702

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007286463%2F00705&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7286463%2F45%2F705
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Monday 09 November 20 20:10 GMT (UK)
Not sure whether you don't want us to know who he was but in deciphering a record, context is everything so a link to his on line record would be helpful.

Struck off Strength is when a man is taken "off the books" of a company.  The opposite of Taken on Strength

MaxD

Apologies I hadn’t realised I hadn’t said his name, but yes the links above are him! I’m now 99.9% sure the man in the photos are Albert so I’m really thankful for all the help!
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 10 November 20 09:35 GMT (UK)
Cleopatra Camp was at Alexandria. There was a signals school there.

Mentions:

https://livinghistories.newcastle.edu.au/nodes/view/77130

https://www.firstworldwar.com/diaries/sapperinpalestine.htm
Title: Re: WWI (?) uniform help
Post by: dsjturner on Tuesday 10 November 20 11:19 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for that, it was a very interesting read! I naively had no idea what went on over there so to read first hand really puts it into perspective!