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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: Robneve on Monday 09 November 20 22:31 GMT (UK)
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In Researching my Allan ancestors, I have found a document that says "The Big Cemetery Outside Stirling Castle has several large black Allan tombstones......" It is some considerable time since I was at Stirling Castle, but I cannot think of ANY cemetery in the near vicinity, never mind "Outside" the castle. As far as my research goes, my Allan ancestors were farmers and came from Falkirk. Does anyone have any information on this cemetery and the "black Allan tombstones" ?
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Could it be the Old Town Cemetery which lies between The Castle and the Church of The Holy Rude? It dates back to Medieval Times and is a few minutes walk from the Castle.
Might be worth taking a look at this one.
Dorrie
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Thanks for the fast response. This does make sense as the writer that made the comment thought that these Allan's were servants in the castle. Is there a way or a web site I can use to follow up on this ? I live in Canada which combined with this Pandemic make life difficult. Thanks again !
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There are several cemeteries just outside Stirling castle - the biggest is probably Ballengeich. There was a web site memento-mori.co.uk which had lists of memorials in a number of Scottish cemeteries including those in Stirling, but this site seems to have disappeared - I dont know if this is just a temporary problem or not. There is an on-line index of burials in Stirling, https://data.stirling.gov.uk/dataset/cemetery-records/resource/e2c373ba-86b8-404c-8ff7-4d91cd9acb59
but this seems to be 20th century and you don't say how old the Allan memorials might be. A quick look didn't show up any in the cemeteries by the Castle.
There are some Allans listed in Ballengeich in Find A Grave and this site may be worth checking for the other Stirling cemeteries
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery-browse/Scotland/Stirling/Stirling?id=city_406375
Sandy
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There are several cemeteries just outside Stirling castle - the biggest is probably Ballengeich. There was a web site memento-mori.co.uk which had lists of memorials in a number of Scottish cemeteries including those in Stirling, but this site seems to have disappeared - I dont know if this is just a temporary problem or not. There is an on-line index of burials in Stirling, https://data.stirling.gov.uk/dataset/cemetery-records/resource/e2c373ba-86b8-404c-8ff7-4d91cd9acb59
but this seems to be 20th century and you don't say how old the Allan memorials might be. A quick look didn't show up any in the cemeteries by the Castle.
There are some Allans listed in Ballengeich in Find A Grave and this site may be worth checking for the other Stirling cemeteries
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery-browse/Scotland/Stirling/Stirling?id=city_406375
Sandy
When a web site disappears the first place to look is the Internet Archive - https://archive.org/
type or copy & paste the url into the Internet Archive and you will in most cases be presented with a graphic displaying the days that website was crawled over the years it existed.
Click on a date, then click on a time in the box that opens and view the site.
Cheers
Guy
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Thanks Guy , that’s a really useful piece of info :)
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Memento Mori was the first place I tried for this query, and I couldn't access it either.
Using the Wayback Machine I have been able to get at the list of names transcribed in the Holy Rude Kirkyard, and no Allans are listed. That may mean that MM had not yet done the whole of the kirkyard.
There is also a reference to a list of names in Holyrude Kirk, but that page has not been archived.
I wonder what has happened to Memento Mori?
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Tried memento mori but zilch, there is a memento mori blogspot comes up?
Superb pyramid monument in the graveyard beside the Holy Rood ;D
Skoosh.
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Re. Memento Mori. The owner, and my friend Anne Anderson died unexpectedly last year. As far as I can tell no-one has continued with it. Its a real shame. Anne was a dedicated helper, often giving out info. F.O.C. She also performed hundreds of hours on Scottish Military Research.
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I knew Anne had died but I didn't know that it was she who was behind Memento Mori. :(
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Oh my...I haven't chatted with Anne for a little while. I did not know this news. I knew she had some issues in the past re her health. She laughed it off saying the only annoying thing was that she couldn't continue always with the passion she had for stomping over cemeteries!
She had such a phenomenal energy for the recording of gravestones. Her work also re Scottish military graves was also outstanding. She used to make me giggle with stories of clambering over gates and hedges to get in to a number of sites.
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ntopic6426.html
News had make me sad for her family and friends, Robneve. I understand this happened last year. I have been head down with my parents in recent times and not really taking much in really.
Monica
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I knew Anne had died but I didn't know that it was she who was behind Memento Mori. :(
She was so excited about putting together the info she had recorded over many years and creating her website memento-mori. The fee she charged was really to cover costs. Often here on RC she would correspond with other who had queries via PMs and provide them with photos and info for free.
Monica
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Very sad loss!
Skoosh.
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Is there perhaps a connection with nearby Bridge of Allan?
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Memento Mori was the first place I tried for this query, and I couldn't access it either.
Using the Wayback Machine I have been able to get at the list of names transcribed in the Holy Rude Kirkyard, and no Allans are listed. That may mean that MM had not yet done the whole of the kirkyard.
There is also a reference to a list of names in Holyrude Kirk, but that page has not been archived.
I wonder what has happened to Memento Mori?
The Holyrude Church (Kirk) page url shows up as pointing to a download http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/68.pdf .
That would not be archived and unless the beneficiaries of Anne Anderson's will have kept the file I am afraid it will be lost.
Perhaps her research has been donated to an archive or family history society.
Cheers
Guy
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Such sad news to hear that Anne passed away. She was a fantastic help to many people including myself. As for her monumental inscriptions – I seem to recall that she put the MI’s into book form and donated it to the Mitchell Library several years ago so all is not lost for anyone able to get to the Mitchell when it reopens.
Lenagh
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Why does not surprise me, that Anne would have donated her work to all in this way :)
Thanks for updating with this info here, Lenagh.
Monica
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Monica,
She did tons of research for a war memorial for the Town of Camelon. When it was done, she was offered payment by the local council and she flatly refused. That memorial is now in place and I think it is excellent.
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Guy.
it is some time since I looked at Memnto, but I do not think her husband has done anything with it and I don't know if he intends to do so. I do know he was devastated by Anne's death. Such a shame. She was a wonderful woman.
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Ian.
I'm not sure about the origin of the Name "Bridge of Allan" other than the river it stands on being Allan Water. I did find an "Allan" family there who owned a successful market garden operation and initially thought they were connected to my family, but later discovered that was not so.
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I want to thank everyone for their input and help. It does look as if my search should perhaps be directed to either Stirling Archives or The Mitchell. I think this closes my original question. However, if I learn anything more about Memento, I will post it.
Thanks again.
Rob.