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Title: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Geoff Budden on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:02 GMT (UK)
Florence married Ernest Howald in Bristol in 1903.
Her birthplace was given as Bradford on Avon c 1885 on census in 1911 but I can find no birth records.
Can anyone help please?
Regards,
Geoff
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: philipsearching on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:14 GMT (UK)
I think the way forward is to purchase a copy of the marriage certificate.  This should give her father's name and determine if COLLETT was her maiden name or if she had been previously married.

Philip
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:17 GMT (UK)
Could this be her?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2X2D-FLC
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:20 GMT (UK)
Have you traced the relatives who are with them in 1911?
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: philipsearching on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:21 GMT (UK)
Could this be her?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2X2D-FLC

Nice work.  If it is her the GRO shows:
Birth Dec qtr 1883 Bradford Wilts vol 5a p116 COLLETT Margaret Florence Emma (no mmn)
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:25 GMT (UK)
1891 census: RG12/1605/139/2

53-54 Whitehill, Bradford on Avon

George Collett Head Mar 55 Shoemaker
Sarah do Wife Mar 60 Dressmaker
Ellen do Daur 21 Domestic servant
Florence do “Daur” 6 Scholar

All born Bradford on Avon.
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:42 GMT (UK)
1891 census on familysearch

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4VMS-KPZ

Looks like she is illegitimate daughter of Ellen Collett.
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 10 November 20 10:51 GMT (UK)
Not necessarily Ellen’s. The Colletts had older daughters.
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Geoff Budden on Tuesday 10 November 20 11:46 GMT (UK)
I am doing this research on behalf of my cousin's wife who is the granddaughter of Florence and have obviously suggested a marriage certificate is wanted.However there are Smale/Collett connections which are odd.
In the 1911 census George Collett-Grandfather and Nellie Smale aged 21 -Sister in Law are with the family.
Presuming Nellie was Ellen I hoped to have found her in Lyncombe ,Bath with her parents and siblings as Ellen H Smale aged 11 born Bath.

Her parents were Thomas Smale born Devon and his wife Mary M Smale born BRADFORD!

This obviously seemed to give a Collett connection and sure enough Thomas married Mary Maria Collett aged 24 on 7/11/1887 IN Lyncombe with her father given as George Henry Collett Bootmaker.
Ellen could be Florence’s mother it seems.
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 10 November 20 14:02 GMT (UK)
Have you found Florence on the 1901 census? She would have been 16/17.
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 10 November 20 14:10 GMT (UK)
Ellen Eliza Collett born Dec Q, 1869, Bradford, MMN Walker. If she was the mother, she would only have been 14.
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Geoff Budden on Tuesday 10 November 20 14:35 GMT (UK)
No trace of Florence on 1901 census or her Grandfather George despite numerous searches.I think they are together somewhere but don't seem to be in Bradford on Avon!
Sorry I said Ellen I meant Mary Maria who married Thomas Smale.All her children were born after Florence per census records, so I presume Florence was before she married.Only a thought....
On probate records she was also known as Florence Maud Howald. Died in 1960 aged 77
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 10 November 20 15:57 GMT (UK)
George's wife Sarah died in 1893

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JVN-982
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Geoff Budden on Wednesday 11 November 20 11:14 GMT (UK)
Have found  that Florence and husband Ernest were witnesses to the wedding of Thomas George Smale(known as George) and Fannie Coker in 1910.Almost certain that she is his half sister and Mary Maria is her mother.Have sent for marriage certificate.
Where is she in 1901 though?
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Geoff Budden on Monday 23 November 20 11:07 GMT (UK)
Florence's marriage certificate shows her father as George Collett-Warehouseman. Would a guardian be shown as a father?I only ask because her Grandfather was George but he was a shoe maker!
Title: Re: Florence Collett born c1885
Post by: Geoff Budden on Friday 11 December 20 14:22 GMT (UK)
Birth cert states Margaret Florence Emma Collett born 27/9/1883.No father but mother is Marie Maria Collett of 28,White Hill,Bradford.
Problem solved!
Thanks to everyone for their help!