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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: guest189040 on Wednesday 11 November 20 17:44 GMT (UK)
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My second highest DNA match is 144cM.
So according to DNA Painter Tools this is about 2C1R at 50% probability.
So clicked on Shared Matches, GREAT there are four others, two of which already are in confirmed branches on my tree. The other two have no trees.
The match has a tree of 5, him his F&M and paternal GP’s.
So after IDing him, his birth location fits in with the branch of the family who moved to Prescot (Merseyside). The existing DNA matches who are in my tree have the same GGGP’s so I know I am on the right track and it is a few of them in this branch that moved to Prescot.
Then I build his tree and get to GGP level, I find all eight of his and no joy, I expected or rather hoped to find a recognisable surname, but no,
I did not.
So back another generation and still no joy.
Enough for today, my head hurts.
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You’re not alone with this Biggles50.
I’ve been trying all of these things since I first tested with Ancestry, about 2 years ago now. I’ve also gone on to test with Living and 23andme, and to upload to FTDNA, My Heritage and Gedmatch...
But I’m still stuck!
Romilly.
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Yes Romily I know what you mean.
I built the DNA Match’s paternal side but no joy with a recognisable surname going back 200 years.
My DNA Match’s Mother is deceased so she shows up fully in Ancestry and not as Private. It is a bit strange that the Match has not included their Maternal Grandparents so maybe there is a clue there.
Let’s call his Mother Emily Wilson, the issue I have there is that there were a fair few Emily Wilson’s born in the same year so I took a guess and built the tree around the guess and no joy.
Time to try building another based on a different Emily Wilson.
Its like playing Cluedo without the body.
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Boggles, (I loved those books!) Are you just using Ancestry, or have you uploaded to any other Sites?
Romilly.
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Boggles, (I loved those books!) Are you just using Ancestry, or have you uploaded to any other Sites?
Romilly.
In answer to your question.
Just Ancestry at present.
However it is increasingly obvious that I will have to upload to the other sites.
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Apologies, - of course I meant Biggles!
If you don’t get round to uploading anywhere else, - do upload to Gedmatch, because all Sites can upload to there.
Romilly.
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I’m in a similar situation, though I tend to give up if it is too difficult to work how how I match with someone. I “manage” a few accounts and apart from the few obvious matches, more often than not, if a person has a tree (which of course most of them don’t), and I am able to find a connection, then that often seems to come through the female line.
I am amazed how anyone finds out how they connect with someone when they have single figure cm matches when I haven’t a clue how I connect with 30, 40 and higher cm matches. ;)
I tested with FTDNA and uploaded my raw data to My Heritage. You need to pay to unlock the useful features and I would advise doing that. Though My Heritage is not as popular as Ancestry you might catch people who have uploaded from other sites. I am on Gedmatch too (which reminds me that I should have another look at that) - I get a bit lost on there. :)
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I think that Trees are very important in figuring it out, Ruskie.
For example, I have a 6cMs match in British Columbia, Canada. Because she had got her Tree back to 1794in Horne, Surrey, I could see that her ancestor Mary Dearling was the sister of my ancestor Amelia Dearling. Amelia Dearling married my 4x Great Grandfather William Pattenden in East Grinstead in 1802.
And so it’s a great shame that Ancestry have pulled all of the 6cMs matches, because sometimes you can work them out!
Romilly.
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That’s true Romilly, however one of my highest matches apart from my parent and child is just over 100cm match with me. She has a substantial tree and I have no dates or places in common with her. Presumably there is some illegitimacy somewhere. :)
My father miraculously has a fairly low cm match (can’t recall the exact cms) with a woman whose father had same surname, but I don’t know exactly where the connection is. Dates and places where both sides of the family lived and were born tally, though I don’t know who our common ancestor is. Communication between us started enthusiastically but they don’t seem interested any more. It is a shame because this woman is in her 80s and maybe able to help. I know very little about this side of my family which is why I was so keen to communicate with her. :-\
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I still dont know who my cousins great grandfather is but I do know its the same man who fathered another baby in southshields who was adopted and taken to Usa
Match is 115 cm
So half second cousin match
I suspect my cousins great grandmothers own birth father went around the country fathering children one of whom.ended up in Texas where there is a cluster of matches at 40cm level no chances of shared surnames and the Americans dont seem to know where there family were pre 1900
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One of the problems with matching trees together is that everyone's trees have to be accurate. I can't even promise that mine is, only that it is meant to be. Sometimes I've looked at other trees and seen people fathering children before puberty or after death etc that makes it so hard to figure out what's true and what's not.
One of my most notorious matches was a 3rd cousin who kept matching with cousins on my WOOD line but her family didn't line up. We eventually realised there was a descendant of the common ancestors in her tree... married to her grandmother's sister...
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I would only ever use another persons Tree as a hint.
One of my xGGM’s is Mary Pearson and she was baptised in Birstall, Yorkshire. Now anyone researching family from around the Bradford area knows that half of Yorkshire seems to have been Baptised in Birstall St Mary, hence it can be difficult narrowing down to a specific person.
Mary has either Nathan or Anthony as her farther, I cannot narrow it down but all the other trees have Anthony without anything to substantiate it.
So Mary is annotated in my tree with a note as to both possibilities as her Father.
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Though the DNA can point to someone being a father of an illegitimate child I suppose there is always the possibility it could be another male in that line - brother, father, grandfather etc etc. as amount of inherited DNA can vary.
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I've got that problem with one of my illegitimates- her middle name is Uglow, the surname of her uncle's wife, so we wondered if one of her aunt's brothers might have done the deed. Many DNA hits show that we are indeed related to that family, however I don't yet have any DNA hits with the supposed grandmother's side of the family. There was technically nothing stopping the 'grandfather' from sowing his oats after all... or maybe oddly nobody on the Kittow side has tested. I am waiting for more people to test in the hope it becomes more clear... all I can do really.
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Im working on a case where it could be one of two brothers or an as yet unknown half brother or even their father as there are close matches to older generations
It is possible to make informed deductions of the most likely of the siblings according to how close the DNA is to their children !
My problem is that two descendants are Smith's with same first name but closed trees and not been active on ancestry for a while .
If I knew that one of them was definitely gson of Smith A the 550cm match could be explained as half nephew
GgDaughter of SMITH B is much smaller match 152cm.
I suspect half C1R
That known match does have brother with same first name ..
(learnt .from past
correspondence..but no longer communicating )
So it's more likely that he is the 142 cm matches
ranges can be wide but I believe 142+ 152 is too low for the siblings to be half nephew and neice
Calculations and factoring in unknowns are indeed head scratchers
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Though the DNA can point to someone being a father of an illegitimate child I suppose there is always the possibility it could be another male in that line - brother, father, grandfather etc etc. as amount of inherited DNA can vary.
That is the theory.
BUT.
If they call themselves ... Me ABC ... and have no tree, making sense of who they are is a tad more difficult.
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... and there is always the worry that you might “accuse” the wrong man ..... ;D
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Brigid, have you tried looking up public trees with them in it and asking the owner of that tree if they are in contact? When I was first researching the aforementioned mysterious 3rd cousin I messaged someone who appeared to be a relation and she said "That's my mother, she's elderly and no longer on the Internet". We talked for a while about the connection.
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Yes ayashi im doing that when I can ..even if I see people havent been on the internet for a while
Got a reply from one with a closed tree and small matches but good triangulation
She replied "have you contacted my mother she does all the genealogy stuff"
I had to laugh and replied "your tree is closed I dont know who your mother is "
She didnt reply immediately so I then thought id take a stab at guessing who her mother was
Sent a message saying
"is ...your mother XX "
"Yes thats her" ... came back next day ...
....I was pleased because it could have been a totally different 2C1R
Ive even messaged some people totally based on shared matches locality or ethnicity
and asked if they know how they connect to.X Y +z or Yorkshire to Texas or welsh origins.